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Battle-Recorder · Eve's Very Own Built-In Fight Record Tool

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ninjaholic
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Red-Frog
#1 - 2011-10-01 22:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ninjaholic
You want HIGH FPS, and LOW client-side lag, FAST loads and computers that run like a scalded cat. (I know you do because I do too! Twisted )

Since you won't have a resource-hungry vid-capture tool running anymore, YOU CAN!

Similar to Half-Life 2's built-in demo-record feature (which records to a small file), Eve-Online should have it's very own...

BATTLE-RECORDER

It keeps the file size small by recording only position data over time, not video & audio. When you replay the file later on, it re-renders the whole scene, allowing you to record it then, without lag, without any slow-down, without any choke, so you can concentrate on your awesome video after, not during, a fight.

In playback, you can set the camera position over a time-line so that replayed your über camerawork will be shown, allowing you to share some superb vids.

The idea is this tool comes in two 'flavours', the Battle-Recorder, and it's partner, the Battle-Player.

BATTLE-RECORDER

  • Records positional, directional information etc. in realtime to a file for later edit and playback, not raw video & audio like current vid capture.
  • Allows you to edit the saved battle information and add camera tracks, pans and zooms for dynamic and stylish angles over a timeline in realtime.
  • Uses ONLY A FRACTION of the resources typical vid-capture tools require, allowing CLIENT LAG-FREE PVP, fleet or otherwise, as well as detailed recording, at RIDICULOUS RESOLUTIONS!
  • With such power over the timeframe, it allows you FINE-TUNED CONTROL on where the camera is, doing what, at any time.
  • Snapshots, allowing those perfect snapshots to be captured!
  • The perfect tool for anyone who doesn't want to capture at 1920 x 1200 Shocked, because that's nuts. Well, NOW YOU CAN easily record in 1920 x 1200 Shocked, edit it IN REALTIME, then capture your work of art with your favourite vid-capture tool, convert it and post it up to EVE-files for all to see!

BATTLE-PLAYER

  • Plays-back the previously (edited) battle, full-screen/windowed, ready to record with your favourite vid-capture tool!
  • It might even be possible to implement an AVI or frames export, eliminating the need for a separate capture tool, so you can get right into editing the video with your fav program.
  • FREE ADVERTISING from epic community videos?
  • A tool allowing users to analyse fights in great detail to fight smarter, or as an intel tool, to highlight strong/weak-points in both yours and your enemies fleets! This can be done in your own client or in the conference room to your whole corp in walking-in-stations.
  • STREAM the Alliance Tournament DIRECTLY to your client? So you could WATCH IT HAPPEN LIVE at home and be your own cameraman and listen to the commentary via EVE voice!
  • Ghost-out other ships, like passers-by, so people know at-a-glance they're not involved in the fight and pay them no heed.
  • The greatest benefit will be to the new players. You no longer have to explain something in detail, you can just link them a tiny file to download and watch in the Battle-Player!

So whaddya think?

(Kicking this around since October 2007! Source: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=779893)

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Tagera
Dog Nation
#2 - 2011-10-04 22:27:25 UTC
I like the idea.....but definitely something that CCP would have to hammer out later.
Aidan Patrick
Aldebaran Foundation
#3 - 2011-10-05 01:47:58 UTC
Supported. Would be awesome. Only reason I have never recorded EVE videos is simple because of the fact that I'm not willing to risk loss due to performance lag on my system. So yeah, big +1 from me.

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Lorcaine
Cultists Of The Roid Empire
#4 - 2011-10-06 16:14:11 UTC
You got my vote too. Every pvp oriented game need to have such a feature. First person, 3rd person...
ninjaholic
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Red-Frog
#5 - 2011-10-08 01:29:02 UTC
Thanks guys! If you've seen the vids people have created without tools, I can't imagine the awesome vids they'd be able to make with this tool!

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#6 - 2011-10-08 01:52:19 UTC
It would be neat if it pulled the server logs and rebuilt the events based on them, that way you could potentially get some awsome videos that are lag free of the larger fights.

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Kellyl
Integrity.
#7 - 2011-10-08 09:34:52 UTC
For no lag recording, pc with2 vid outputs, vid setting to clone displays, monitor in one vidport, pvr in other.

Lag free recording at 1900x1200.

ninjaholic
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Red-Frog
#8 - 2011-10-11 02:25:41 UTC
Not everyone's got a PVR and a dual out graphics card Kellyl.

This way it's not only easier, it's more accessible.

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ninjaholic
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Red-Frog
#9 - 2011-10-11 02:32:35 UTC
Tagera wrote:
I like the idea.....but definitely something that CCP would have to hammer out later.


From: http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2010/CSM_CCP_Meetings_18-20_02_2010.pdf, page 14, paragraph 2.

Quote:
The CSM inquired about the possibility of a battle recorder, a tool that stores the data stream from the
server which would enable re-rendering of events and therefore help with videos. CCP explained that
this is technically possible and actually exists as an in-house tool. However, quite a bit of development
time is needed in order to release it to players. It‘s therefore a question of prioritization.


Big smile

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-10-11 04:39:32 UTC
Man, I'd love something like this. So many possible uses!

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Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#11 - 2011-10-11 07:19:28 UTC
There was a nice thread on the old forums about this collecting lots of good ideas. Yes, we need a battle recorder for post-editing and probably a special render engine replacing details and effects for a never seen before look like what we know from several games cinematics. CCP is still using something like this.
ninjaholic
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Red-Frog
#12 - 2011-10-20 11:55:47 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
Man, I'd love something like this. So many possible uses!
I think the endless possibilities are what scare CCP Lol

Presidente Gallente wrote:
There was a nice thread on the old forums about this collecting lots of good ideas.
You mean this one? I'm pretty familiar with it P

Presidente Gallente wrote:
Yes, we need a battle recorder for post-editing and probably a special render engine replacing details and effects for a never seen before look like what we know from several games cinematics. CCP is still using something like this.
Yes, yes and god damn it will they ever share it! Twisted

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ninjaholic
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Red-Frog
#13 - 2011-11-28 16:59:47 UTC
Bumpage for exposure. Because, like, this idea is so awesome!!! Needs more spam so the devs don't have a choice but to include it. But they're only going to do this if you ASK for it!!

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Schnoo
The Schnoo
#14 - 2011-11-28 17:13:10 UTC
do you have any idea how hard it would be implement it?
even a simple version that wouldn't work between EVE versions would be rather challenging
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
#15 - 2011-11-28 20:29:33 UTC
To take this idea one step further, and actually make Incarna useful for something, I would like to propose the following to add to your Battle Recorder:

- Be able to playback recordings on the CQ display screens
- Create one more room (a Corp/Alliance War Room) and allow for playback on the display in there

This allows you and your corp/alliance to look at an event, and establish what went right/wrong with it, and learn from it. And if multiple people have recordings, play them on up to three display screens (as that is what the CQ offers), so you can see the event from a couple of different angles.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#16 - 2011-11-28 23:05:18 UTC
This looks awesome, mainly because it is exactly what Valve's demo record feature does, which is saving position and object data and re-rendering it later, making for lag-less video and low amounts of resource usage when recording.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#17 - 2011-11-28 23:55:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
ninjaholic wrote:
Not everyone's got a PVR and a dual out graphics card Kellyl.

This way it's not only easier, it's more accessible.


anyone with a moderately modern card (i.e. can play eve) should have a dual-outputs...

the PVR, yeah, that may not be quite so common.

+1 to the OP's idea though ... didn't see if this was mentioned, but it NEEDS to be able to output in a format that we can put on the CQ TV Twisted

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Saracha
#18 - 2011-11-29 03:55:09 UTC
+support

This seems like and awesome idea, I would absolutly love to get it implemented.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#19 - 2011-11-29 06:56:08 UTC
Not a bad idea.
ninjaholic
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Red-Frog
#20 - 2011-11-30 20:34:57 UTC
Schnoo wrote:
do you have any idea how hard it would be implement it? even a simple version that wouldn't work between EVE versions would be rather challenging [sic]
It wouldn't be hard at all. Every entity on the 'grid' has x y z positional data, directional data, movement data and target data among other numbers. Most of this can be shortened from what it is now, and then 'interpolated', (aka guestimated) to keep the information small and manageable. This information can work across versions Twisted as it's already in place in a lot of games. All Source based games, Unreal based games, Havok based engines in general.

Jack Carrigan wrote:
To take this idea one step further, and actually make Incarna useful for something, I would like to propose the following to add to your Battle Recorder:

- Be able to playback recordings on the CQ display screens
- Create one more room (a Corp/Alliance War Room) and allow for playback on the display in there

This allows you and your corp/alliance to look at an event, and establish what went right/wrong with it, and learn from it. And if multiple people have recordings, play them on up to three display screens (as that is what the CQ offers), so you can see the event from a couple of different angles. [sic]
I could've sworn I put this in there somewhere already! Big smile I think I might have had to take it out to fit that post into one Evil But HELL YEA this should be the case. Even to be honest, the Battle-player should be part of CQ with full-screen options!

Tarn Kugisa wrote:
This looks awesome, mainly because it is exactly what Valve's demo record feature does, which is saving position and object data and re-rendering it later, making for lag-less video and low amounts of resource usage when recording.
Agreed, this is exactly the case. No bloody lag. No issues recording to same hard drive. It's accessible to everyone, and easily too. Even complete noobs, newbies, vets alike.

Velicitia wrote:
anyone with a moderately modern card (i.e. can play eve) should have a dual-outputs...

the PVR, yeah, that may not be quite so common.

+1 to the OP's idea though ... didn't see if this was mentioned, but it NEEDS to be able to output in a format that we can put on the CQ TV Twisted
I do. But not everyone does. This kind of feature is currently only open to some, who have a capable machine and the software to do it. This way, ANYONE with a copy of Eve that runs, can record. That simple Twisted

Saracha wrote:
+support

This seems like and awesome idea, I would absolutly love to get it implemented.
Makes about 400 of us so far, you and I included! Big smile

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