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Guys whether you agree or not, the amount of isk people like DRF, PL and yes NC in the past was making from moongood was and is ridiculous. Have pretty much free flowing isk just for maintaing a pos, and billions per month from just one moon is making the game worse.

I mean how much isk must DRF be making just from moons - trillions?, PL, other alliances.....its got to the point that they know every location of every valuable moon in the whole of eve not just nullsec, and have the ablitity to just take them, without any problem at all. Because with their trillions they can build more and more titans/supers etc.

CCP keep putting in some kind of mechanism for alliances to lose ships (jb change for example) but this make absolutley no difference or dent. If an alliance with all this isk, loses 10 supers in 1 day, 500 sub caps in 1 day. So what...they are instantly replaced, with more free flowing isk to build more. Its ridiculous. Other alliances, corps, smaller corps do not have a chance or ever will have the chance to compete or even hold a moon, because this is how eve has become. Is this fair? Eve has become saturated. Something seriously needs to be done, and alliances and corps alike should be made to work for this unlimited pot of gold.

Solution is to randomise moons every month, no more static moons. This stops the instant and constant flow of silly amounts of ISK, and also gives more chance to other alliances (big or small) and corps to find these moons and at least have one month of 'hitting the jackpot'.
Another option is to limit the number of moons one alliance can hold as well, its not right that one alliance can own all of eve..its totally and utterly wrong and this is why eve is messed up.

But i stick with moon randomisation, alliances will have to work for it, relocating poses, more logistics happening, more danger, for all these riches. Merely sticking up a pos, and defending it with a million supers its wrong.

Im sure (as its only those that post here) the big alliances will disagree who hold all these moons, so am i expecting that. But I am more interested in CCP seeing this, because it needs to be sorted now.

Thx

That is absolute rubbish and you know damn well it is. There are no more large fights, because people wont fight because they get blobbed by 100 supers! Simple fact. Just like yourselves.
Alliances do not spread out the money to members at all, members very rarely recieve anything! Infact most have to buy their own pvp ships..Yes some alliances do have a replacement program. But any losses are easily replaced..EASILY..So please dont tell me any different. I been there, seen it done it... and people like yourselves and drf and NC and others didnt just own one tech moon did you? more like 20,30 even 70! So please....
Tech moons generate what about 6 bill a month after pos fuel? Remember they have just acquired these moons, they have been generating much isk for many months, and its rare to lose 10 SCs in one to be honest. So they have made trillions in the bank, lose 10scs *which is rare - 220b leaves billions left!

Remember you guys had 70 tech moons AT ONCE - making 420 billion PER MONTH approx....thats in JUST ONE MONTH..I assume you still have lots now, in low sec and stuff..Is anyone attacking them? No....Is anyone really attacking DRF moons in earnest...No....Why cos they dont have a trillion supers.....

So dont give me that crap...please...Its a massive issue whether you like to agree or not...

Give another source of moo goo, such as PI, wh, etc. This artificial bottleneck/monopoly CCP created to feed large sov null alliances is ruining Eve. Monopoly is never good for the economy.

Well, as much as I hate to agree with our less than friendly neighborhood Goon, POS networks retire a LOT of work on the part of the operators/maintainers, so it's not really a "free-flowing" ISK source so much as it is a major investment that takes continual upkeep.

However, I do also support the creation of other sources of products obtained from moon harvesting, or at least bump up the system security a little to make them more accessible to more players, and thus further bridging the gap between high-low-null sec. As more opportunities to create massive profits present themselves in low sec, more of the carebear community might be willing to roam out there to set up shop, which would be beneficial on the following levels:

- It would offer mercenaries more of an option to legitimize the career path, as they could take contracts to provide escort and security for the bears while they set up, or worked out there (it could create a new contract mechanic for these offered services, thus allowing mercenaries the ability to accept contracts much like it allows haulers to take courier contracts, and could reduce scamming on that level)
- It would provide a more target rich environment for pirates dwelling in low sec
- It would bolster the low sec economy, as well as the high sec economy as it would provide more trade routes
- It would benefit null sec alliances as they could have moon harvesting arrays set up in systems closer to high sec trade hubs
- It would allow for more T2 production, which could pave the way for more costly losses in low sec (thus having shinier targets to kill/loot/salvage, as well as giving the bears a nice source of income by marketting these ships)

So it could be beneficial to the entire community.

Wrong. That would merely serve to tithe from slaves/pets/renters being increased many-fold and effectively eliminate any hope of small independent operations from ever getting a foothold in null. Basically the exact opposite of what we want.

Solution is to move moon activity onto planets;
- Let the materials come from PI system.
- Add processors in space somewhere to transmogrify products (RP: reactions are too volatile so need to be run in zero-G).
- Let the processors be vulnerable to raiding unless 'hardened' (thus slashing efficiency), for maximum profitability you need bodies in space for protection.
- Distribute denser veins of the materials on planets based on the 'conflict over resources' model, but have low-yield option available everywhere.
- Introduce gold-rushes, where once in a while planets in random space give 3-4 months worth of high-yield veins.

Everybody wins;
* Lucrative space will still exist and be fought over, but cannot just be left alone and inject X billions into account every couple of weeks.
* Material bottlenecks are eliminated as CCP can artificially add resources to the pot through gold-rushes.
* Roams will have purpose beyond playing hide'n'seek with bots, ratters and assorted noobs.

There, done and done. Next.

all moons should change what kind of thing it mines... moons should deplete and be reseeded with different types of goo
one region of space should be gold for a day/week/month then worthless the next day/week/month

So tech is super expensive due to being the bottleneck in T2 production, and your solution is to reduce the supply? Yeah, that's not gonna make the price spike.

Hang on, who said anything about 'reducing' supply? it will still be the same, or there abouts, just people like you and drf and goons and every other supercap heavy alliance cant own the whole of eve..Im sorry but its not right, in fact its totally wrong that only a few groups whole every damn expensive moon in eve..totally wrong...with others smaller groups NEVER EVER having a chance to get one..

The issue is, eve has now had 8 years or so to bed in, without anything changes, as in space and moon locations, therefore the vets and big alliances know the location of every valuable moon in ALL OF EVE. They have the power, the isk, to not only maintain poses, but heavily guard them, without a problem. Infact most people wont even dare touch them because of the known cap blob, or any blob for that matter. Eve has become saturated...
New alliances, corps or even older but not as powerful corps/alliances cannot and will never be able to combat this. 8 years on things have to drastically change. And dont tell me about newer alliances coming on, they are still old vets being recycled into new alliances. Its just wrong totally wrong..

Theres only a bottllenect because ppl like you and drf, have a big demand for supers etc, but the reason you have a demand because you can just waste endless isk, from where? oh yes tech moons...swings and roundabouts m8....

This is a game not real life.

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Tech is ONLY used for T2, and it's a bottleneck because the moongoo available:moongoo needed to build the average T2 mod/ship is MUCH higher then for any other ship. Take every moon in EVE and collect the materials, and after processing as much as you can, you'll be out of tech but still have a medium-large stock of all the other materials.