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[Winter] ORE frigate

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CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2012-09-21 16:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Ytterbium
Hello folks,

This topic is about the ORE frigate coming out this winter. While its concept art can be seen in the Ship Balancing Summer Update blog and some speculation has already started, time has come to talk about it in details.

Designed as an entry mining ship, it will replace the old 4 mining frigates in the Industry Career Path (the Tormentor, Bantam, Navitas and Burst). Compared to them, it has a much improved mining output, capacitor reliance and mobility, while having a decent 5000m3 ore hold. Its purpose is to be a fast hull capable of mining in hostile space (even if the current value of high-sec ores defeats this quite a bit, but that's another problem). It also serves as a gas harvester, a profession that was lacking love until now. With its +2 warp core strength bonus, it should stand a fair chance of doing its job in low-security space without being instantly tackled and killed.

It also comes with a brand new skill, mining frigate, rank 2. Further down the drain we will change mining barge skill requirements to need mining frigate at 4, but not for winter - we'll most likely do that at the same time as the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill changes to minimize training issues and complications. Again, since its the entry ship for mining, expect the market price to be low.


Mining frigate skill bonuses:
+5% to mining yield per level
5% to gas harvesting duration reduction per level
Role bonuses:
+100% to mining yield
+100% to gas harvesting yield
+ 2 warp core stabilizer bonus
Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, 2 turrets
Fittings: 45 PWG, 240 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 225 / 175 / 200
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 250 / 125s / 2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 335 / 3.6 / 1200000 / 4.04s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 / 10
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 15km / 750 / 5
Sensor strength: 4 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 40
Cargo capacity: 50
Ore hold: 5000


Constructive comments are welcome Pirate
Typhu5
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-09-21 16:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Typhu5
The Gas Harvesting Bonus is interesting.
But what is with the damage emitted from the Gas Clouds?
Can a Frig survive that?

Edit: First ftw.
Saracha
#3 - 2012-09-21 16:23:12 UTC
Just add one more turret, come one, do it. Then we can have a dedicated gas mining ship.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-09-21 16:25:16 UTC
Space drugs makers, rejoice!!! Our bonused ship has arrived. This makes me smile. No more shaming a Hurricane by forcing it into gas-huffing duty!!

My Methstar will be busy in the coming months, for sure. Cool

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Karmu Ivanostrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-09-21 16:26:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Karmu Ivanostrov
Is the 25% bonus at skill V enough to overcome having only 3 turrets??

EDIT: Nevermind, hadnt noticed the role bonuses
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2012-09-21 16:27:03 UTC
Saracha wrote:
Just add one more turret, come one, do it. Then we can have a dedicated gas mining ship.


To be fair, the bonuses do appear to turn 2 harvesters into 5. And think of the delicious ORE hold......How much could you hold in a BC (which was my mining ship of choice) ??

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Karmu Ivanostrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-09-21 16:29:23 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Saracha wrote:
Just add one more turret, come one, do it. Then we can have a dedicated gas mining ship.


To be fair, the bonuses do appear to turn 2 harvesters into 5. And think of the delicious ORE hold......How much could you hold in a BC (which was my mining ship of choice) ??


5 Harvesters, +2 Warp Str, and a nice ore hold (which I assume will handle gas).... Plus small and nimble.... Gotta love that new frigate
Derek Itinen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-21 16:32:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Derek Itinen
With max skills, its is equivalent to have 5 un-bonused gas miners. I guess the ore hold makes it worth it.

Edit: Ninja'd
muhadin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-09-21 16:34:02 UTC
Gets owned by gas cloud damage, GFGF

"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"

Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#10 - 2012-09-21 16:34:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Griznatch
Can we get a little more cargo space? 50m3 of liquid ozone isnt enough for a cyno.


Edit: I'm not even joking.

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#11 - 2012-09-21 16:40:03 UTC
A couple of questions, Ytterbium:
- Does the 2 turrets become the equivalent of 5?
- Have you play tested with it and determined that it can actually survive gas cloud harvesting?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Rayge PVV
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-09-21 16:40:05 UTC
very glad to see gas harvester bonuses, will definitely get, but the other posters do bring up good points:

1. gas cloud damage?
2. the bonuses make it barely competitive with only 2 turrets

‎"Don't give yourselves to the unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts. You are not machines, you are not cattle, you are men!" -Charlie Chaplin

muhadin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-09-21 16:40:12 UTC
Griznatch wrote:
Can we get a little more cargo space? 50m3 of liquid ozone isnt enough for a cyno.


Edit: I'm not even joking.


Thatstheidea.jpg

"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"

HazeInADaze
Space-Hogs
#14 - 2012-09-21 16:40:17 UTC
Are they old hulls being repurposed or mothballed? I always like the navitas hull but had no use for it.
Tano 'Fulsamee
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-09-21 16:40:36 UTC
What are the skill requirements to get into it? Can you fly or afford one first day of eve like the previous mining frigates, or are miners first having to use non-dedicated ships to mine first/PvE to get income. I guess another question that comes from that is what ship (if not this one) is now given out during the mining tutorials.
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#16 - 2012-09-21 16:42:08 UTC
Plenty bads in this thread crying. I have never taken damage from harvesting gas that you make boosters from. Arrow
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#17 - 2012-09-21 16:43:16 UTC
muhadin wrote:
Griznatch wrote:
Can we get a little more cargo space? 50m3 of liquid ozone isnt enough for a cyno.


Edit: I'm not even joking.


Thatstheidea.jpg



Deep down inside I already knew :(

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.

Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-09-21 16:43:51 UTC
Cool stuff.
Sylvilagus Palustris
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-09-21 16:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Sylvilagus Palustris
Shouldn't the gas harvesting yield bonus be a time bonus?


edit for clarity:

gas is 10 m3

yield per cycle is 10 m3 (doubled)

adding 25% will result in no extra gas since in rounds down.

Bonus should be a reduction on cycle time (like ice miners)
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2012-09-21 16:45:51 UTC
muhadin wrote:
Gets owned by gas cloud damage, GFGF


Depends on where you are harvesting. None of the lowsec or WH clouds I've ever mined have ever done damage. They don't explode. This is unique to a specific handful of nullsec clouds.

Frankly, I'd prefer all booster-gas mining and drug production be moved into lowsec anyways, but thats a debate for another thread...

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

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