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The reality of the goon freighter ganking in Uedema and neighboring systems.

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BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-09-18 13:23:14 UTC
I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. They will shoot it with an alt character to get the freighter into pvp, this stops the pilot from logging out. Due to how effective this is, there is no escape for the freighter pilot. Once you've jumped into that system in a freighter, you've given them a 100% guaranteed kill on you. Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.

I also watched their characters log in one by one and then suddenly all of them logged off on my contacts at precisely the same moment, looks like his computer crashed :D

Checked their character history, about half of them joined the corp on the same day and the other half were all new characters, created on the same day, earlier this year.

They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it.

Perhaps everyone should start doing this, it's a really easy way to earn isk and get epic kills. Plenty of people with multiple accounts and the time to burn.

For a list of their ganking characters just look up Furious Father on a killboard and see his freighter kills and who was part of it.
William Walker
Savannah Logistics
#2 - 2012-09-18 13:24:33 UTC
Also in Niarja. All is going according to plan.

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#3 - 2012-09-18 13:25:20 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.
The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2012-09-18 13:25:48 UTC
ELEITE PVP
Robert De'Arneth
#5 - 2012-09-18 13:30:03 UTC
You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2012-09-18 13:35:33 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.


What? Deleting a character is bannable?
Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-09-18 13:38:44 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.



LOL....no.
WTFAMILOOKINGAT
Horizon Research Group
#8 - 2012-09-18 13:42:22 UTC
Athena Themis wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.



LOL....no.


Sure it is, been considered an exploit since forever. Are you stupid or just new here?
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-09-18 13:46:39 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.


What? Deleting a character is bannable?


It's bannable if your purpose is to get around the security status mechanic. Basicly instead of grinding your sec status back up after a gank spree, you recycle the character and make a new one, which you use for ganks and recycle when your sec status gets too low. Repeat ad nauseam.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-09-18 13:50:59 UTC
cool story, you don't actually have it right though

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BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-09-18 13:52:58 UTC
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#12 - 2012-09-18 13:54:48 UTC
Wait wait wait.

Are you telling me...

...that sometimes people in this game gank for profit and fun? Shocked
Robert De'Arneth
#13 - 2012-09-18 13:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert De'Arneth
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.



No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. Big smile

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#14 - 2012-09-18 13:56:47 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%.

An even simpler solution would be to pay a few friends to escort you.
Din Chao
#15 - 2012-09-18 13:58:50 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

A simpler solution would be to pay attention to your surroundings, communicate with other haulers, and avoid hot spots where gankers are active.
BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-09-18 13:59:13 UTC  |  Edited by: BillyBanter
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.



No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. Big smile


Sure, because it's oh so practical for every freighter in empire to be guarded by a fleet of ships.
BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-09-18 14:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: BillyBanter
Din Chao wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

A simpler solution would be to pay attention to your surroundings, communicate with other haulers, and avoid hot spots where gankers are active.


The gankers camp a path that cannot be avoided, less you don't make the journey at all. They use login traps and alt scouts to know when you're coming. There really is no option except to not do the freighter trip because if they target you, there is no escape.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-09-18 14:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.


You appear to be confusing the value of the ship with the value of it's cargo. I can fly around in a velator with 20bils 300bils worth of T2 bpo's in my hold. Should we then buff velator ehp because risk vs reward is skewed?
flakeys
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-09-18 14:03:27 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

.



The freighter kils i had seen after a goonie linked them had none to sht drops and if i would add all 8 i was shown the griefers would be 'working' with a loss.

Offcourse i did not see all of them so might be profitable , the total loss for the victims was high though , verry high.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Din Chao
#20 - 2012-09-18 14:04:46 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

A simpler solution would be to pay attention to your surroundings, communicate with other haulers, and avoid hot spots where gankers are active.


The gankers camp a path that cannot be avoided, less you don't make the journey at all. They use login traps and alt scouts to know when you're coming. There really is no option except to not do the freighter trip because if they target you, there is no escape.

So, it's too hard...
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