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[Winter] More Combat Frigates!

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CCP Fozzie
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C C P Alliance
#1 - 2012-08-16 10:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Ytterbium
Hello again Features & Ideas. Today we're going to be showing you the current designs for the last three revamped Combat Frigates, set for release this winter.

Many of you will have guessed that the Amarr weren't going to remain the only race with two Combat Frigates. Having the Punisher and Tormentor representing different combat styles within the same general use case is a pattern we want to repeat with the other races, so we're revamping the Kestrel, Tristan and Breacher.

You will also see that the direction we're going with these frigs means that our plans have changed somewhat since the dev blog a few months ago.

Without further ado, here's the ships we have to show you today!

Kestrel:
Frigate skill bonuses:
5% Bonus to Missile damage per level
10% Bonus to Missile velocity per level

Slot layout: 4 H, 4 M (+1), 2 L, 4 launchers
Fittings: 45 PWG (+15), 180 CPU (+30)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500(+109) / 350(+37) / 350 (+84)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 330 (+80)/ 165s (-22.5s)/ 2 (+0.667)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 320 (+24) / 3.27(-0.6) / 1163000 / 3.56s (-0.65)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km (+10) / 620 (+155) / 5 (+2)
Sensor strength: 11 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 38 (-9)
Cargo capacity: 160 (-145)


Tristan:
Frigate skill bonuses:
7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level
10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level

Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 3 M, 3 L, 2 turrets, 0 launchers (-2)
Fittings: 35 PWG (-3), 130 CPU (+5)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(-41) / 450(+20) / 550 (+167)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175s (-59.38s)/ 2 (+0.5)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 (+4) / 3.44 (-0.21) / 1106000 (+100000) / 3.56s (-0.02)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km (+12.5) / 600 (+10) / 5
Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 41 (-1)
Cargo capacity: 140


Breacher:
Frigate skill bonuses:
5% Bonus to Missile damage per level
7.5% Bonus to Shield boost amount per level

Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M (+2), 3 L (+1), 3 launchers, 0 Turrets (-1)
Fittings: 35 PWG (+4), 180 CPU (+45)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500(+149) / 350(+37) / 300 (+50)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 300 (+112.5)/ 150s (+9.37s)/ 2 (+0.667)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 350 (+16) / 3.16 (-0.62) / 1087000 (-100000) / 3.21s (-0.99)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 (+10) / 10 (+10)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 35km (+2.5) / 650 (+75) / 4 (+1)
Sensor strength: 8 Ladar
Signature radius: 36 (-5)
Cargo capacity: 175

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Inepsa1987
#2 - 2012-08-16 11:02:57 UTC
Tristan looks nice.

Spaceship Pilot.

Spugg Galdon
Last Rites.
Villore Accords
#3 - 2012-08-16 11:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Spugg Galdon
Should the Tristan not be named Navitus?!!?!?!??!?!Shocked

I only ask because we were all under the impression the Tristan was to be a missle frigate (synergy with Nemesis) and the Navitus a drone boat
Azula Kishtar
Lonely among the Stars
#4 - 2012-08-16 11:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Azula Kishtar
I'm a bit confused. The Tormentor was a mining Frigate, so shouldn't this thread be about the Navitas, Burst and Bantam?

Kestrel looks good anyway. Not sure about the other two yet.

Also, i too thought the Tristan was to be a missile Frigate like the Kestrel, Breacher and Inquisitor.
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
#5 - 2012-08-16 11:18:17 UTC
Ooooh, mantanking droneboat. Me like :)

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#6 - 2012-08-16 11:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Like I said, some plans have changed in the past few months. The Navitas will be in the last set of frigates we reveal, but it's no longer planned as a drone damage frigate.

I'm looking forward to that last reveal most of all. Running the latest design past the CSM now, will get it to you asap.

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Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#7 - 2012-08-16 11:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Bouh Revetoile
This Tristan look nice ; though I thought the navitas should be a drone boat ; which role will the navitas have ? Drone brawler ?

Is the bonus of the Kestrel for all missiles ? Or only for kinetic ones ?
Spugg Galdon
Last Rites.
Villore Accords
#8 - 2012-08-16 11:23:15 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Like I said, some plans have changed in the past few months. The Navitas will be in the last set of frigates we reveal, but it's no longer planned as a drone damage frigate.



Then I'm sorry CCP Fozzie. I'm going to have to "unlike" this purely for the Tristen having no synergy with it's T2 counterpart. I don't know what the final plan is for the Tristan and the Navitas but I do really like the idea of the Kestrel and Breecher being so different but the same.

WTB Drone Navitas and Missile Tristan if possible Big smile
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
Ushra'Khan
#9 - 2012-08-16 11:31:13 UTC
i read it like:

Kestrel - long(er) range missile frig; emphazising on the caldari long range philosophy

Tristan - combi drone, blaster brawler (hybrid tracking and drone HP); up close & personal gallente style

Breacher - missile frig; don't know here but shield boost implicates intention to make it more suited for small skirmishes. on the first glance less pronounced to have a certain combat style. suit minmatar.


interesting is the bonus for missiles only, no rockets. kestrel is designed for long range, the breacher seems to be similar but will have a shorter range. im excited to see how this will turn out. 4 mids with a shield boost amount bonus and 3 mids. hardcore range control and asb - goodiness is in the air.




CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2012-08-16 11:34:26 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
This Tristan look nice ; though I thought the navitas should be a drone boat ; which role will the navitas have ? Drone brawler ?

Is the bonus of the Kestrel for all missiles ? Or only for kinetic ones ?


All missiles. It's a break from the usual Caldari bonuses but in this case we felt it was appropriate.


Spugg Galdon wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Like I said, some plans have changed in the past few months. The Navitas will be in the last set of frigates we reveal, but it's no longer planned as a drone damage frigate.


Then I'm sorry CCP Fozzie. I'm going to have to "unlike" this purely for the Tristen having no synergy with it's T2 counterpart. I don't know what the final plan is for the Tristan and the Navitas but I do really like the idea of the Kestrel and Breecher being so different but the same.

WTB Drone Navitas and Missile Tristan if possible Big smile


We didn't like giving Gallente a missile bonused t1 frigate and then leaving them with a stealth bomber (for which skills in rockets and light missiles actually have 0 impact) as the only possible upgrade.

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Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#11 - 2012-08-16 11:36:32 UTC
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:

Tristan - combi drone, blaster brawler (hybrid tracking and drone HP); up close & personal gallente style

I saw this tristan as a drone kiter infact : drone brawlers have bonuses to drone damage and hybrid damage ; this one won't have enough damage to brawl whereas the tracking allow to use big railguns.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-08-16 11:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
CCP Fozzie

What about the Inquisitor?

With ASBs as they are, I have a hard time not seeing this new Breacher dominating every other frig in its class. Have you tested this particular aspect yet?
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2012-08-16 11:39:08 UTC
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
CCP Fozzie

What about the Inquisitor?


It's getting a new role, to be unveiled along with the last set of frigs.

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Spugg Galdon
Last Rites.
Villore Accords
#14 - 2012-08-16 11:41:32 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
This Tristan look nice ; though I thought the navitas should be a drone boat ; which role will the navitas have ? Drone brawler ?

Is the bonus of the Kestrel for all missiles ? Or only for kinetic ones ?


All missiles. It's a break from the usual Caldari bonuses but in this case we felt it was appropriate.


Spugg Galdon wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Like I said, some plans have changed in the past few months. The Navitas will be in the last set of frigates we reveal, but it's no longer planned as a drone damage frigate.


Then I'm sorry CCP Fozzie. I'm going to have to "unlike" this purely for the Tristen having no synergy with it's T2 counterpart. I don't know what the final plan is for the Tristan and the Navitas but I do really like the idea of the Kestrel and Breecher being so different but the same.

WTB Drone Navitas and Missile Tristan if possible Big smile


We didn't like giving Gallente a missile bonused t1 frigate and then leaving them with a stealth bomber (for which skills in rockets and light missiles actually have 0 impact) as the only possible upgrade.



I would argue that skills in missile velocities and flight times and damage would effect the Nemesis instead of just plonking them straight into a missile boat without any missile skills.

Also, Ships like the Lachesis have very useful missile slots and bonuses. There is room for progression there but I have an itching in my breechers (no, it's not from the dirty encounter I had from a goon) that the cruiser level Gallente EWAR ships are gonna get refocused into drones Straight
Azula Kishtar
Lonely among the Stars
#15 - 2012-08-16 11:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Azula Kishtar
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:

Tristan - combi drone, blaster brawler (hybrid tracking and drone HP); up close & personal gallente style

I saw this tristan as a drone kiter infact : drone brawlers have bonuses to drone damage and hybrid damage ; this one won't have enough damage to brawl whereas the tracking allow to use big railguns.


Perhaps the tracking bonus is supposed to help the Tristan kill enemy drones that attack it when it keeps range and enemy ships can't reach it with their turrets. Small Blasters track very well already, so they should have no trouble hitting drones with this bonus.

I know someone who will be very upset about the changes to the Kestrel, but i like it, as well as the Breacher. ASBs will work great on that ship....
Paul Clancy
Korpu no Byakko
#16 - 2012-08-16 11:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Clancy
Dear CCP Fozzie, check capacitor amount for Tristan again, it already contains 350 (so no +80) and it's speed is 306 (so +14, not +24)

Recheck the statistics please.
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
Ushra'Khan
#17 - 2012-08-16 11:57:30 UTC
Azula Kishtar wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:

Tristan - combi drone, blaster brawler (hybrid tracking and drone HP); up close & personal gallente style

I saw this tristan as a drone kiter infact : drone brawlers have bonuses to drone damage and hybrid damage ; this one won't have enough damage to brawl whereas the tracking allow to use big railguns.


Perhaps the tracking bonus is supposed to help the Tristan kill enemy drones that attack it when it keeps range and enemy ships can't reach it with their turrets. Small Blasters track very well already, so they should have no trouble hitting drones with this bonus.

I know someone who will be very upset about the changes to the Kestrel, but i like it, as well as the Breacher. ASBs will work great on that ship....



didn't thought about the rails ... ^^
but i guess both could be worth testing. but fitting some rails which would make a difference will be hard on the fittings.

as for the breacher, every shield booster will work great. its more of a question, how you plan to use your cap. active shield tanking can be awesome with normal boosters too.
actually, asb should use a bit more fitting resources and boost shield amounts depending on cap charge size. would add some depth.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#18 - 2012-08-16 11:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ITTigerClawIK
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
CCP Fozzie

What about the Inquisitor?


It's getting a new role, to be unveiled along with the last set of frigs.



PLEASE keep it a missile frigate i was very much looking foward to the rocket inquisitor.

that and it just makes sense to keep it missile orientated, this was the one reveal i was VERY much looking foward to for this blog
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#19 - 2012-08-16 12:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Bubanni
CCP Fozzie, can you guys also please look at other frigates for winter? (i'm thinking the interceptors as I feel the other t2 frigs seem fairly balanced at the moment, sb being weak against other frigs, and good chance of being popped fast by a bc or cruiser, and assault frigs being quite nice at the moment where they can even take on battlecruisers and win)

So yes... please look at the interceptors? I am saying this because it would suck if that took an additional half year after all other frigs had been balanced

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#20 - 2012-08-16 12:08:16 UTC
Paul Clancy wrote:
Dear CCP Fozzie, check capacitor amount for Tristan again, it already contains 350 (so no +80) and it's speed is 306 (so +14, not +24)

Recheck the statistics please.


Thanks for the heads up. The stats for the new ships were correct but the change values were typos, those are now fixed.


Bubanni wrote:
CCP Fozzie, can you guys also please look at other frigates for winter? (i'm thinking the interceptors as I feel the other t2 frigs seem fairly balanced at the moment, sb being weak against other frigs, and good chance of being popped fast by a bc or cruiser, and assault frigs being quite nice at the moment where they can even take on battlecruisers and win)

So yes... please look at the interceptors? I am saying this because it would suck if that took an additional half year after all other frigs had been balanced


Don't think ceptors will be able to make it into Winter, but we'll get a look at them as soon as we can.

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