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Trading Skills, Procurement and Visibility

Skeln Thargensen
#1 - 2012-08-15 17:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
These two are completely horrible. So far I (think I) have gathered:

Level of Procurement skill determines the range from your current station that you can place a (non immediate) buy order.

Level of Visibility skill determines the range from that station that the buy order can be filled.

So why am I getting my buy orders filled at stations remote from the one I placed the order in when I don't have visibility trained at all? And it's letting me place region buy orders which I definitely shouldn't be able to fill.

EDIT: I think I placed this specific order in the station I was in, maybe that explains it? (Marketing skill)

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Kristen Andelare
Abacus Industries Group
Aerodyne Collective
#2 - 2012-08-15 18:10:58 UTC
If you placed the order in a station you were docked in, Visibility is not necessary to specify the distance from that station that the order can be filled.

So, if you dock at say Hek, and place a buy order in Hek, then visibility has no bearing on placing the order for full regional filling.

Only if you actually use the Procurement skill you trained to place an order at a distance (like, for example, in some lowsec system you don't want to fly to to place the order) does the Visibility skill come into play.

If it's not working this way, then maybe you should bug report it.

Neither Procurement NOR Visibility are really necessary to train.
Skeln Thargensen
#3 - 2012-08-15 18:21:38 UTC
Thanks, yeah I don't need them. It's a little confusing like that.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2012-08-15 21:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Sell Order Skills:
* Marketing = Increases distance you can be from the stuff you want to sell.

Buy Order Skills:
* Procurement = Increases distance from you to the station where you place a (remote) buy order.
* Visibility = Increases range remote buy orders accept items from (selectable).

Objects are never moved for you. If you place a region wide buy order, you have to run around and pick everything up.

The remote trade skills are just convenient for doing stuff like:
* Sitting in your home system 10 jumps from Jita but in the same region (The Forge) and placing a buy order (Procurement) that can be filled within 1 jump of Jita (Visibility) in case somebody dumps stuff in Perimeter.
* Placing buy orders as you navigate a freighter out of the region or participate in a mining op (not docked).

You don't need remote skills to place orders at the station you are currently docked in.

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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#5 - 2012-08-15 22:34:31 UTC
The ask, bid, modify and remote ranges seem to have a pretty steep diminishing return in training since AFAIK they are also limited to the region. I have all four set on a range of 5 systems which took almost no time to train and being able to do trading remotely is convenient. Every so often I will realize that I am between 6-10 jumps away, but rarely am I more than 10 jumps from a station I want to do business with. I wonder how many people train these skills to level 5.