EVE General Discussion

Does this have some deeper meaning or is just a silly omission an should be fixed? I know that the ownership of the wreck determines if I can tractor it, but I can't find any reason for the fact that the person that died "owns" the wreck rather than the person who shot it (just like when shooting rats).

Anyone care to explain?

Lore: the rats are designated legal targets for any and all comers and if you do CONCORD the service of getting rid of them, they reward you with the right to their ill-gotten gains. Capsuleers are not such targets (unless they **** off CONCORD directly), so they don't get the right of ownership revoked just because they get blown up.

Game design: so that PvP combat doesn't come with a reward system.

How long ago was that and did he get blown up by CONCORD?

No. Even simpler rule: you shoot him. He died.
He's not a subset of the “world farmable assets”, so the world rewards you with nothing for farming him.

Yes, but it's not yours. You haven't earned the right to the stuff. At most, you've earned a kill mail, and changing ownership just because you kill something would create an asset reward mechanism for an activity that, by design, needs to be left without such rewards. In fact, with the current proposal for CrimeWatch 2.0, you will become a free-for-all target if you try that. The reason it must come without rewards is that empire is designed around the idea that aggression comes at a cost (a higher one in highsec, a lower one in lowsec) — if said aggression also came with a reward system, that cost would be nullified and rendered meaningless.

If you want to be rewarded for PvP kills, faction warfare will give you some (but still not loot ownership) or you have to go to the parts of space where the whole “aggression = cost” rule does not apply (nullsec).

Actually it was this morning (yes this is an alt), and no, the other party wasn't blown up by CONCORD. That's absolutely irrelevant here though.



I'm not sure what additional "reward" you keep talking about. I still get the loot as reward and I still can salvage it (yay, another reward), getting the wreck flagged blue is just a matter of convenience (instead of slowboating towards it, the wreck would come flying to me).
I know it's not mine, that's how it works nowadays. It's exactly that part I consider bad design/omission. I do think I earn my right to the stuff. Saying that "by design it needs to be left without such reward" is a fallacy - there's no reward in it, there's also no need/reason (if there is, name it please).

Aggression is always connected with a "cost", be it sec status loss, gcc flag and the additional sentry damage/being free to shoot at for everyone. I can't see how that would be rendered meaningless by making a wreck tractorable.

As for nullsec, I haven't been there in 1,5years and can't tell (don't remember) how the wrecks are flagged in pvp situations. Again, this seems irrelevant to the topic.

You still own it unless someone steals it from you. That's why you own your wreck. This is mostly important when your corpmates are on field.

Loot the Suicide Ganker's wreck and maybe their corpie in an alt decloaks and hits your looting ship.

I really would like a few tweaks to the system. It' doesn't make much sense for there to be yellow wrecks in w-space at all.

a payers wreck should always be tractorable providing that wreck wasn't created as a result of a HS suicide gank.

That must have been a very long time ago.

e: Actually, not that long ago.