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Regarding AFK Complex Farming

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Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-08-09 11:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dregol
From: http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1

Edit: The original concerns/rage in this thread have been addressed by Sreegs.

The TL;DR of this is there were some creative individuals who were AFKing in complexes 23/7 and generating income whilst not at their computers for extended periods of time. CCP considers this to be an exploit, and will be addressing the problem.

AFKing 23/7 killing respawning rats: exploit
AFK missioning/anoming/freightering: not an exploit

Sreegs explanation here, concerns about mining, and freighters


The original post:

What exactly is the problem here CCP? A pilot has to /actively/ probe down a complex, the speed at which he or she wants to complete the process shouldn't be measured. You also seem to blatantly ignore the fact that other people can probe these down and complete them while you're AFK boating around.

Is there some mechanic where NPCs are respawning in complexes after a certain amount of time? If they are, I can understand where the problem is. Anything with respawning NPCs and AFKing is bad mmkay, and there's a simple solution: stop **** from respawning in complexes.

I do find it hilarious, though, that you want to go after complex runners. I'd like to see the numbers of how much isk is generated from plexing, but taking what I presume to be a fairly safe guess, I'd be astonished if it represents more than 1% of the total isk generated in EVE. I mean it's not like you just made it 1000% easier for other professions to do anything AFK.

I applaud your effort to remove any AFK actions from the game, but seriously, stop picking on fringe problems, and look at the real problems in EVE.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-09 11:39:36 UTC
I have absolutely no idea what Sreeg is talking about.
Obviously it doenst involves nullsec nor lowsec, since going to sleep with your ship uncloaked would get you killed there.
Obviously it's not about deadspace complexs and anomaly in highsec, since these are limited, and you have to warp to another once it's empty.
Obviously it's not about belts or static complexs in highsec, as both of these only contains frigates, and the income from these is ridiculous. I'd be surprised if you'd get 10m a day killing every frigates of a static complexs.

So, really, what the ****? And what the **** is the logic of creating areas of respawning, high value rats in highsec and then forbidding people from killing them? And if the problem is AFK sources of income, why the **** did they modify mining barge so you can mine for half an hour with one before having to do anything?
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-08-09 11:42:43 UTC
I can think of several examples.

Mainly involving complexes that are part of COSMOS (especially for caldari/amarr).

There's a few persons with Rattlesnakes/Ishtars who do exactly as Sreeg's said.
#4 - 2012-08-09 12:05:02 UTC
Pisov viet wrote:

Obviously it's not about belts or static complexs in highsec, as both of these only contains frigates, and the income from these is ridiculous. I'd be surprised if you'd get 10m a day killing every frigates of a static complexs.


Obviously you haven't found the ones that have battleships in them.

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Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-08-09 12:06:12 UTC
Pretty sure this has more to do with hisec statics that repeatedly respawn NPCs.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-08-09 12:06:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Teranicus
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It has come to our attention recently that there are pilots in New Eden engaging in mining. Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular belt, activating mining lasers, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon.

While this activity does not necessitate the use of a 3rd party program in order to carry it out you ARE generating income in an automated fashion while sleeping which is not being present playing the game. As such our automated systems will continue to detect and institute administrative actions for this activity. We do not find this to be acceptable gameplay.



Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-08-09 12:07:15 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Pretty sure this has more to do with hisec statics that repeatedly respawn NPCs.

Classic CCP.
#8 - 2012-08-09 12:07:26 UTC
As I stated on the general forums topic on this subject, it seems pretty inappropriate and immature on sreegs part to make a news article about this when it is hardly an automated action. I can sit there and let the sentries do the same damn thing and I will be flagged because I am at my computer or not??

Bot mining is one thing and using an automated program is as well, but your drones only kill so much and then you have to warp to the next room, you dont continue to constantly generate money. It is a fixed amount and once it has been completed you just sit there waiting for someone to gank you or you come back.
#9 - 2012-08-09 12:08:57 UTC
I left my last MMO when the company started dictating how players can and cannot play the god damn game they paid for.

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Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-08-09 12:08:58 UTC
The solution of course is to implement an "raw ISK hold" similar to the ore holds on barges. Once you generate a certain amount of ISK, you have to dock up and refine that raw ISK into ISK.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-08-09 12:09:50 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I left my last MMO when the company started dictating how players can and cannot play the god damn game they paid for.


oh no how will we ever go on without being allowed to do something that is basically botting without a macro

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-09 12:10:12 UTC
lol wth...

shees im doing (or at least used to do) rad/mag/plex in my ishtar with sentrys, the damn thing doesnt even have a gun on it becuase sentrys will just kill everything... perfect for me cuz it allows me to at times walk off the computer(kids, dog, dont forget nagging wife)

now i understand a warning if you use a bot but just wow lol


now since you made this statement about you cant do them afk anymore, WILL THAT MEAN AFK CLOAKING IN A SYSTEM TO DISRUPT OPERATIONS WILL BE BANNABLE ALSO........
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-08-09 12:11:15 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Pisov viet wrote:

Obviously it's not about belts or static complexs in highsec, as both of these only contains frigates, and the income from these is ridiculous. I'd be surprised if you'd get 10m a day killing every frigates of a static complexs.


Obviously you haven't found the ones that have battleships in them.

Then MAYBE the problem is CCP placing NPC battleships to kill in highsec.

I dont really enjoy reading that CCP starts deciding which way of killing NPCs is allowed and which one isnt.
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-08-09 12:11:58 UTC
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WILL THAT MEAN AFK CLOAKING IN A SYSTEM TO DISRUPT OPERATIONS WILL BE BANNABLE ALSO........
especially afk cloaking in anoms so they dont respawn
#15 - 2012-08-09 12:12:04 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I left my last MMO when the company started dictating how players can and cannot play the god damn game they paid for.


oh no how will we ever go on without being allowed to do something that is basically botting without a macro


>implying I play this way.

It's the action of telling players how to play I have a bigger issue with then what they actually acted against.

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Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-08-09 12:13:26 UTC
Oh noez! My PI! My Market Orders! My Ice Mining!

Will I be banned too???

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#17 - 2012-08-09 12:13:52 UTC
Octoven wrote:
As I stated on the general forums topic on this subject, it seems pretty inappropriate and immature on sreegs part to make a news article about this when it is hardly an automated action. I can sit there and let the sentries do the same damn thing and I will be flagged because I am at my computer or not??

Bot mining is one thing and using an automated program is as well, but your drones only kill so much and then you have to warp to the next room, you dont continue to constantly generate money. It is a fixed amount and once it has been completed you just sit there waiting for someone to gank you or you come back.

He isn't talking about missions with rooms or people going AFK.

He is directly speaking too a certain type of Cosmos Complex where players are warping their ship in with an AFK Tank dropping 5 Sentries then putting remote reps on them then leaving their computers downtime to downtime.

At least with Mining you have to empty stuff or warp back to the station. Missions you have to pick up a new mission or change rooms. This is 100% 24 hour AFK.
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-08-09 12:15:01 UTC
coolzero wrote:


WILL THAT MEAN AFK CLOAKING IN A SYSTEM TO DISRUPT OPERATIONS WILL BE BANNABLE ALSO........


You dont make isk by sitting AFK cloaked all day, so i'd say no.
#19 - 2012-08-09 12:15:08 UTC
We really need to get some clarification on this from CCP. Perhaps this is some special case situation, but since I do not do complexes the differentiation isn't obvious to me. It just seems to me that sitting my Rattlesnake in a mission, letting the little sentries clean up a room, and going to the kitchen to get a bite to eat is now a banned activity as I am generating income without being at the game. And as has been pointed out, if you can tank the rats, then you can just find a large roid, point you laser at it, hit a button and do AFK mining and then starting a load of laundry is again generating income without being at the game.
While I doubt either of these activities are on the ban list, I'd really like to see a blue post saying so.
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-08-09 12:15:28 UTC
Teranicus wrote:
Quote:
WILL THAT MEAN AFK CLOAKING IN A SYSTEM TO DISRUPT OPERATIONS WILL BE BANNABLE ALSO........
especially afk cloaking in anoms so they dont respawn



this has been changed....afk cloaking in a site will still despawn it afaik from a few patch(notes) ago
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