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Halaima Miner Bumping - SHAREHOLDER REPORT #3 - The Dawn of a New Kamio

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James 315
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CODE.
#1 - 2012-07-28 23:07:04 UTC  |  Edited by: James 315
About a week ago, you voted to expand the New Order, and I became Supreme Protector of Kamio. The miners of Kamio had a lot to say about this, so here comes another Shareholder Report to keep everybody up to speed.

OVERVIEW

I am a professional bumper and the Saviour of Highsec. I was elected Supreme Protector of Halaima and Kamio, two highsec ice mining systems near Jita. I require miners to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct, which--among other things--calls for a 10 million isk mining fee to be paid each year. If miners fail to pay, they risk being bumped out of range and losing their ability to mine. Links incoming!

Previous threads:
I have taken command of the Halaima ice field: An exciting business opportunity!
Halaima Miner Bumping IPO -- Round 1
Halaima Miner Bumping IPO -- Round 2
Halaima Miner Bumping -- SHAREHOLDER REPORT #1 -- 230,000.00 % profit margin!
Halaima Miner Bumping SHAREHOLDER REPORT #2 UNANIMOUS! We're going to Kamio!
Halaima Miner Bumping IPO -- Round 3

Artwork by Sun Win:
HOPE
MERCY

EXPENDITURE AND PROFIT REPORT

Revenues:
271,100,000 in mining permits
88,000,000 in loot of fallen enemies
1,070,000,000 in miscellaneous donations*

Expenses:
126,000 for secure containers

Profit:
1,428,974,000

Profit Margin:
1,134,106.35 %

MINER BUMPING ECONOMIC POWER INDEX

The MBEPI is calculated by adding the profit plus all sales of stock thus far. This provides you an idea of the total resources upon which our enterprise can currently draw.

Stock Sales:
2,830,000,000

Miner Bumping Economic Power Index
4,258,974,000

A NOTE ON MISCELLANEOUS DONATIONS

The miscellaneous donations revenue category is inflated in this Report due to an unusual request by investor Shiule Hanaya, who currently owns 100 shares of the business. Shiule put in an advance order for another 1.011 billion in shares. Since shares are not currently open for sale, this order is being temporarily held as a donation; when shares are opened for sale again, the amount will be immediately applied to purchase the 1,011 shares requested.

Since that particular revenue is inflated, the profit margin is also inflated--currently at a healthy one million plus percent. Obviously, we can expect that margin to decline the next time we have a report following a stock sale.

DEPARTURE FROM HALAIMA

As the votes came in for the proposed Kamio acquisition, it quickly became clear that the New Order would be expanding its territory. I decided I would need to handle the expansion the way one handles the birth of a new child. After all, I consider the highsec community under my jurisdiction to be like a family. A newborn needs extra attention. I needed to show the miners of Kamio that this was not some kind of fly-by-night operation looking to make a quick buck. Rather, this is about relationship-building. Though realizing that some would think I was abandoning Halaima, I resolved to spend my first several days after the transfer of power focusing on Kamio. That doesn't mean I love Halaima any less, of course, and I think they'll see that over time.

During my last few days in Halaima before the expansion, one pilot became increasingly insistent that he be given the chance to 1v1 me. I told him the same old terms applied: I will fight anyone, any time, anywhere. But in the interest of time, I only fight worthy opponents, so he needed to prove his honour by Concording a valuable ship. He accepted the terms, but sadly chose to Concord an arbitrator, a tech I cruiser. He insisted the ship comprised about half of his wealth, but it goes without saying that an arbitrator does not constitute a "valuable ship."

Many Halaima miners still failed to see the utility of having a Supreme Protector and a Code to follow, but they did credit me for one good thing: After a gang of a dozen botting retrievers was sighted in Halaima, I was contacted by a concerned miner. Whenever I logged in, the bots left the ice field. I never saw the bots, but it became the conventional wisdom that my presence in local scared them away because I had negative standings due to something I had done in the past.

* * * (Proceed to section 2.) * * *
James 315
experimental fun times corp reloaded
CODE.
#2 - 2012-07-28 23:07:38 UTC
NEW KAMIO RISING

The successful expansion vote extended the borders of the New Order to encompass two ice mining systems at the heart of The Citadel region. Halaima is only four jumps away from Jita, which is considered the capital of Caldari empire space (and really all of highsec). Jita is located in The Forge region. But I think we all know the reason why The Citadel is now aptly named.

Dotlan map of The Citadel, noting the Supreme Protector's sovereignty.

Kamio is home to one of the busiest ice fields in all of highsec. It's one jump farther from Jita, but miners prefer it to Halaima for some reason. After successfully jumping from Halaima to Kamio, I unpacked my belongings and made myself at home. The miners only quietly watched as I anchored a row of seven new secure containers 150km from the ice field. As in Halaima's ice field, these containers posted helpful warnings and information about the regime change.

Before I even thought of bumping anyone, I introduced myself in local. For these miners, a new era of reason and prosperity was about to begin.

INITIAL REACTIONS

Back when I first took control of Halaima, the locals greeted me with hostility and suspicion. I hoped that wouldn't be the case in Kamio, since there was plenty of time for my reputation to spread in advance of my arrival. Unfortunately, my first evening in Kamio became something of a trainwreck, diplomacy-wise. I consider myself an introspective person, but after careful self-examination I don't think I was to blame for what happened. I saw some familiar faces in Kamio, and they consisted of some of the worst miners I encountered in Halaima. Maybe this shouldn't be a surprise, since the good miners paid their 10 million and stayed happily in Halaima. The bad eggs fled to Kamio and poisoned the well. No doubt the people of Kamio had heard all kinds of horror stories about me and became prejudiced.

Later, a few of my investors showed up in Kamio to watch the transfer of power take place. One of them, Rykker Bow, posted a Kamio chatlog to the IPO Round 3 thread. The log begins some time after things had already gone awry.

After weeks of cultivating the miners of Halaima, I suppose I'd forgotten just how unruly highsec dwellers can be in their original state, before they're given civilization. Fundamentally, the miners and I had a different worldview. In the interest of making future liberation campaigns go more smoothly, I made a note of these issues.

The Kamio miners had the most peculiar attitude toward miners in other highsec systems. I tried to bolster my credentials by referring to what I had done in Halaima. But the Kamio dwellers actually saw this as a negative. When I pointed out how more than two dozen Halaima miners had already paid their full mining fees, they began to say things like, "That was Halaima, this is Kamio." They called Halaima miners weak, and asserted their superiority over them. Maybe it's just me, but I found this reaction to be fascinating. I attempted to reassure them by offering my own opinion, which is that all highsec miners are basically identical, and that they would break just as the Halaima miners had.

Needless to say, Kamio miners also repeatedly objected to the name of the "New Halaima Code of Conduct," which applies to all residents of the New Order. I was able to quiet them down by noting that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply just to people living in Geneva.

All in all, the miners responded to change in a very unhealthy manner, probably even worse than the Halaima miners had when I first showed up there. When they began spewing profanity at me, I became instantly aware why the ESRB doesn't rate online interactions.

The miners refused to submit, so it was bumping time. I performed this task in a clinical manner. I was simply enforcing the law, not taking revenge. Full of bravado, the miners laughed off my warnings, insisting that I was a completely powerless clown. Their attitudes changed sharply when I sent them out of mining range and their ice harvesters deactivated. Two miners immediately confessed that they were petitioning me to the GMs for my conduct. Obviously they hadn't been given the opportunity to fully familiarize themselves with the Code, but rules are rules, and I notified them that their names were joining the Red Pen list.

It was quite a transformation. They traveled from "James is a joke" to "James is overpowered CCP please rewrite the laws of EVE physics" with bracing speed. So much for the brave fronts they put up. The Invincible Stabber always reveals the true nature of a man.

* * * (Proceed to section 3.) * * *

James 315
experimental fun times corp reloaded
CODE.
#3 - 2012-07-28 23:08:02 UTC
CHALLENGES TO THE SUPREME PROTECTOR'S LEGITIMACY

By bumping the miners out of mining range, I demonstrated that I had the ability to exercise power over them. This would have been an excellent opportunity for the people of Kamio to show some humility and send me some isk. Instead, they began to question the legitimacy of that power. In addition to accusing me of all kinds of EULA violations, they demanded to know what gave me the right to take a leadership role in Kamio. If they had read the Code they would have already known the answer, but you have to keep in mind that these miners were uneducated.

Kamio residents didn't buy into social contract theory, so I directed their attention to the free and fair vote held in the Shareholder Report #2 thread, in which I was unanimously authorized to act as Supreme Protector of Kamio. Each miner reacted in one of two ways. Some of them objected to the idea of outside investors having a say; they wanted Kamio miners to vote. (You'll recall that Halaima miners expressed a similar opinion when I informed them of my investors' support.)

However, most miners simply couldn't believe my investors existed at all. They insisted that I was making it all up. The voting thread was linked in local, but they claimed it was full of my alts. When some supporters of the New Order chimed in, they too were accused of being my alts. In my long EVE career I have frequently accused of having alts or being someone else's alt. But the Kamio miners took it to a new level.

As a last resort, I appealed to the very top: The duly-elected Chairman of the CSM, who, having received over 10,000 votes had gotten more support than any other CSM candidate in EVE's history. I linked a tweet from earlier this year in which The Mittani himself vouched for my good character. This turned out to be a miscalculation, because many of the miners in Kamio harbored unresolved feelings of anger toward The Mittani for various reasons, which then had to be relitigated before we could move forward.

FUTILE RESISTANCE

As in Halaima, the Kamio miners saw fit to resist the steady march of progress instead of joining it. Once more, miners threw down their mining lasers and hopped into counter-bumping ships of various kinds. They proved no more successful than the miners of Halaima or the miners from Arvasaras early this year.

Others, from my very first night in Kamio, plotted to kill my Invincible Stabber. They scanned my ship to determine its fittings and then passed the information around. What they discovered (a massive shield tank), along with words of caution from those who had tried and failed to kill me in Halaima, dissuaded them from taking action.

In the entire time I was in Kamio, only one incident of violence occurred. On my second day in Kamio, a pilot flying a harbinger-class Amarr battlecruiser with tech II fittings warped into the ice field and opened fire. Apparently he thought using lasers would exploit my shields' relative weakness to EM damage. However, he neglected to notice that I was already well out of range when the attack began, so my shields held at 100%. A Concord squadron promptly reported to the scene to relieve him of his ship, and I scooped a few million more isk in loot.

1v1 Policy Expands

With few miners willing or able to conduct a suicide gank, I received a lot of "requests" for a 1v1 duel. Miners who spent their whole careers in highsec's warm embrace suddenly realized they had a problem with someone else being protected by Concord. They demanded that I must either join a corp so they could wardec me, or take from their containers so they could fight without Concord interference.

I informed them that they would need to pass the Test of Valour to qualify for a duel. By Concording themselves, they would prove they were not afraid to die. I also added an alternative test, the Test of Wisdom. To pass this test, a miner must correctly answer my Questions Three. This relates back to an obscure provision of the Code in which a miner can earn a 24-hour mining pass if he answers three trivia questions. (So far, no miner has sought to make use of this provision.) One persistent miner invoked the Test of Wisdom, but he was unable to correctly answer the second question, which was not easily Googleable.

Since then, I have added a third option, the Test of Fortitude. This involves a miner becoming a miner-bumper for an undetermined length of time. To date, no miner has yet been able to pass any of the tests. That doesn't stop them from demanding 1v1 opportunities, however.

* * * (Proceed to section 4.) * * *

James 315
experimental fun times corp reloaded
CODE.
#4 - 2012-07-28 23:08:34 UTC
POLARIZATION OF KAMIO

Thus far I have addressed the negative reactions that miners have had to the New Order's takeover of Kamio. There's no question that many of the Kamio residents are intensely opposed to my continued governance of the system. But I also want to quickly note that their feelings are not universal--not by a long shot. Rather, Kamio local is usually divided into two camps, and those who favor the New Order are equally passionate in their support of me.

As I go about enforcing the Code, I frequently receive words of encouragement in local and in private convos. Some mission runners and passersby report that they find themselves transfixed by what they witness taking place in my systems. They are eager to see my work continue.

MORE MINER BUMPERS?

On rare occasions, someone else will hop into a speedy ship and begin bumping miners, usually not for too long. In Kamio, a player named Lady BlahBlah has been seen bumping miners on more than one occasion and demanding ransoms. Unlike other part-time bumpers, Lady BlahBlah has been accused of being my alt (incorrectly), because she flies a Stabber Fleet Issue like I do. At least initially, she also named her ship "Invincible Stabber."

I managed to encounter Lady BlahBlah when I logged in just in time to see someone else announce they were petitioning her. The petitioner was another Kamio transplant from either Halaima or Arvasaras, and had been bumped by me in the past. Lady BlahBlah and I bumped some miners in the ice field at the same time, but that hasn't stopped miners from accusing her of being my alt, and I recently had a miner complain to me about something Lady BlahBlah had done.

Why would they think a miner bumper has a miner-bumping alt? When Lady BlahBlah first appeared, it was a few days after my arrival in Kamio. Some miners expressed a belief that their petitions had succeeded in getting me banned, and that Lady BlahBlah was a back-up account of some kind. Others say that I am "double-dipping," using an alt to demand payments from those who already paid their fees. I think the real reason for the assumption is something else: Dark fears of a future where the New Order makes bumping popular, the ice fields of highsec covered by a swarm of stabbers.

BOT FLEET BUMPING

"As long as you're bumping me, you can't bump anyone else." That's one of the most popular things for a disobedient miner to say while being knocked away from his precious ice. But it's not always true, especially when other Code violators are mining nearby. Poorly-programmed bot fleets find my enforcement activities especially problematic.

The other day, as I was revisiting Halaima, I encountered a fleet of 10 bot accounts: 8 miners, an orca, and a hauler that shuttled back and forth at an eerily regular pace. I noticed the miners were all clumped together next to the orca. To keep bots together, sometimes they use an "anchor" ship. In this case, the orca was the anchor, and all the miners were programmed to stay right next to it--no matter where the orca went.

I gently nudged the orca with my Invincible Stabber. Orcas are not easily bumped like exhumers are, but once they pick up some speed they can chug along pretty well. I relocated the orca a couple dozen kilometers from the ice field, and the zombie miners exposed their guilt by mindlessly following the orca out of mining range--where they remained. As for the hauler, he continued to faithfully warp back and forth from the station to the now-abandoned rendezvous point. Ten bot accounts out of action.

Returning to what Sun Win would call my "war reporting" days, I decided to take some pictures!

The miners begin racing away from their ice.
As they move out of range, some mining lasers deactivate.
Reunited with their orca, the miners cease work for the day.

The same day, I found another botting fleet of 10 ships in Kamio. These bots did not appear to have an anchor. But there was another problem--they needed to be in sync with each other. By bumping some of them away from their orca, they couldn't function, and they apparently couldn't correct the problem without also disrupting the miners who were next to the orca. So the entire bot fleet, even those in mining range, warped together to a position on the other side of the ice field. When I followed them, they were forced to do it again, and again. The bots' mining op ended in failure when they accidentally warped between chunks of ice and got stuck. The exhumers eventually pried themselves loose, but the orca remained. End of op.

Though not involving bots, I thought I would relate another incident that involved a large group of miners. They were apparently a genuine mining op, with each ship controlled by a different player. They would have been good candidates for the "you can only bump one of us" defense, but their pride was at stake. After insulting America, they began excitedly filling local with French. Like a vampire dissolving into a bunch of screaming bats, they cancelled their mining op and re-shipped. They swarmed around in a fruitless attempt to counter-bump me. End of op.

* * * (Proceed to section 5.) * * *

James 315
experimental fun times corp reloaded
CODE.
#5 - 2012-07-28 23:09:06 UTC
GLOBAL WHINING

Toward the end of the reporting period, I returned to Halaima. I thought people would be excited to see that I hadn't abandoned them after all, but the place was fairly quiet. A few miners were still there, adamant as ever that they would never pay. I was relieved to hear that they already knew I had been right next door, stirring things up in Kamio. But I was struck by the fact that, after nearly a week of my absence, Halaima's population had not regrown. There were still miners, yes, but there was a steep decline from the number I saw when I first showed up in a bumping ship back in June.

My anxiety was compounded by what I witnessed in Kamio. Upon my arrival last week, I encountered an ice field jam-packed with miners. In every way it had lived up to my expectations. But over time, the population dwindled.

One day, after I began my rounds, the Kamio ice field went bare. (Pictured is the orca I mentioned, still stuck on the edge of the ice.) It's extremely rare for an ice field as well-populated as Kamio's to be completely devoid of miners. I wrote it off to the fact that the field had been hit by gankers earlier in the day, spooking a lot of bots.

The next day, as I returned to my enforcement duties, I was startled to watch Kamio completely abandoned again, this time without any gankers to blame.

I do not wish to cause unnecessary alarm. Kamio is still home to a great many ice miners. And the mining population of a system naturally goes up and down throughout the day. Most of the time, there are plenty of people happily gathering ice (probably AFK). It could be a coincidence that the population of Kamio happened to thin out a bit.

Nevertheless, even when the population of a busy mining system goes down, an ice field in a system like Kamio doesn't simply drop to zero. Certainly not twice in a week. And in each case, the time of day wasn't to blame; I had seen the ice field packed during the same time of day earlier in the week. My suspicion is...something isn't right.

It's very premature to draw any conclusions, but my instincts tell me there could be a problem. My intention is to create a New Order in which the leadership, rule of law, and community of my systems are so attractive that miners from all around highsec flock to them. In theory, the miner population of Halaima and Kamio should be going up, not down. We've seen miners resistant to change, true. A mass exodus, though? Just to avoid following the Code? It would take a depraved population of miners to do such a thing. One shudders at the contemplation of it. Needless to say, that would be unacceptable. We can't very well improve highsec minerdom if everyone just runs away beyond our borders.

So what happens next? Well, as I said, it's still early. I intend to continue molding Halaima and Kamio into an image we can all be proud of. I expect to see the population of those systems returning to their proper levels. But if they don't, and if the miners really are systematically trying to escape the Code and the New Order... Well, then, we won't have much choice.

We'll just have to take every system in highsec.

- 315
Tash Avrat
Osmanli Empire
#6 - 2012-07-29 04:17:43 UTC
It does seem like miners are trying to escape the Code. This needs attention and I trust that James 315 will be able to find a great solution to this problem in no time.

Also, the evemail you have sent to shareholders had a wrong link, it doesn't point to this thread instead it points to IPO 3 thread.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#7 - 2012-07-29 04:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
James 315 wrote:

Many Halaima miners still failed to see the utility of having a Supreme Protector and a Code to follow, but they did credit me for one good thing: After a gang of a dozen botting retrievers was sighted in Halaima, I was contacted by a concerned miner. Whenever I logged in, the bots left the ice field. I never saw the bots, but it became the conventional wisdom that my presence in local scared them away because I had negative standings due to something I had done in the past.


Didn't you report the botters?

I mean, it may be fun to gank them and everything but if they keep returning it's because they were not reported.


James 315 wrote:

I gently nudged the orca with my Invincible Stabber. Orcas are not easily bumped like exhumers are, but once they pick up some speed they can chug along pretty well. I relocated the orca a couple dozen kilometers from the ice field, and the zombie miners exposed their guilt by mindlessly following the orca out of mining range--where they remained. As for the hauler, he continued to faithfully warp back and forth from the station to the now-abandoned rendezvous point. Ten bot accounts out of action


Didn't you report the botters?
James 315
experimental fun times corp reloaded
CODE.
#8 - 2012-07-29 08:32:54 UTC
Tash Avrat wrote:
Also, the evemail you have sent to shareholders had a wrong link, it doesn't point to this thread instead it points to IPO 3 thread.

Whoops! Thanks for pointing that out. I just sent the correct link. Oops
Sorceror Majiir
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-07-29 08:56:37 UTC
Ya know I read this roleplay crap from J315 and I'm beyond stunned. What kind of idiot wants there to be less ice mining.. it's lunacy. It would serve you and the game designers right if people just said to hell with mining. Why am I paying someone my real hard earned money just so I can take abuse from some other moron who wants to extort money from me. I mean mining is tedious and boring enough without this sort of ******** game play. Maybe it's time for a miner revolt. .. Just say no to mining EVERYWHERE. Go mine your own ores to make your ships, or fly around neeked.. we can reduce the game to people in starter ships because that's all that you get for free. I know I can't stand more than an hour or two of mining before I'm climbing the walls. Lets see how you like it. In the real world what evolved was both economic and real slavery to do those things people didn't want to do. 10 year olds in sweat shops, etc etc.. but this is a virtual world.. and people can walk away... and they will.

If Eve was smart there'd be a bot planner attached to every account. They'd make mining so easy you could do it in your sleep. In fact heck, get rid of mining altogether.. I mean what role does it really play if this is just a shooter game. Figure some other way for people to get ships and just blast each other. While I like to "occassionally" mine high end ores.. mining the common stuff and ice is beyond boring. Miners should get extra free days on their accounts to PAY THEM for their REAL LOST TIME sitting around staring at a rock day in day out. That might sustain a gamers interest for a while just because it's new .. month maybe two or three, but eventually they will say... C YA. Also, who the heck has time to mine all day anyway, you should be on your knees groveling and thanking those bot mining for providing your minerals for you. Oh wait, I get it, your a miner and your jealous of the bots. Either that or your a speculator and are trying to drive the ice prices in the market up. Personally I think miners should just revolt. I would laugh my ass off. gee I wonder what would happen to the game then if all the miners just said screw it this is too much hassle... hahaha. NOW THAT WOULD BE FUNNY.
Caelis Boirelle
Aurora Investments
#10 - 2012-07-29 09:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Caelis Boirelle
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
Tears



WoW is that way Arrow
Sorceror Majiir
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-07-29 11:08:44 UTC
Caelis Boirelle wrote:
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
Tears



WoW is that way Arrow



hahaha oh heck no pal, I'm going to be on you like flies on stink. Think of it like a little bump, and another, and another.
Drago Wolfbane Skorvalk
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-07-29 14:41:50 UTC
LMAO

Pirate
Max Wager
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-29 14:54:11 UTC
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
Caelis Boirelle wrote:
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
Tears



WoW is that way Arrow



hahaha oh heck no pal, I'm going to be on you like flies on stink. Think of it like a little bump, and another, and another.


The pent up frustration in this post is beautiful.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#14 - 2012-07-29 16:12:59 UTC
No response about reporting botters?
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#15 - 2012-07-29 18:24:09 UTC  |  Edited by: MinefieldS
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
No response about reporting botters?


CCP already knows the locations of ice belts in highsec .. duh. Instead of censoring the forums like nazzis they could teleport to those belts and see the bots in action for themselves.

Oh wait I completely forgot: who will pay subscriptions then?
James 315
experimental fun times corp reloaded
CODE.
#16 - 2012-07-29 19:39:37 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
No response about reporting botters?

I read your post, and Imma answer your question, but first I'm going to respond to what Sorceror Majiir wrote. He obviously needs my help more than you do at the moment.
James 315
experimental fun times corp reloaded
CODE.
#17 - 2012-07-29 20:31:05 UTC
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
{anger and hatred}

It sounds like you're making a martyr of yourself, and I'm not sure why you're doing it. Clearly, you don't like mining. So why mine? There are plenty of other ways to make money in EVE: piracy, recruitment scamming, margin trade scamming, corp theft, rigged lotteries, suicide ganking ships with expensive cargo, anything. If you hate mining so much, it's time to change careers. The only limits in EVE are the ones you impose on yourself.

The other problem I see in your post is that you think mining is important. It's not. The economy of EVE would function just fine without miners, thank you very much. Would ships and modules become more scarce? Possibly, but prices have been kept too low by botters anyway, and there's plenty of preexisting ships/mods to go around. Since you're not helping anyone with your mining activity, don't do us any favors. Just go and enjoy yourself. Smile

Finally, I'm not out to ruin some ice miner's day. The Code provides a number of basic, commonsense rules that miners should be following anyway, for their own benefit. Video games are not about being AFK. This is an obvious truth, and if a miner needs to be repeatedly bumped out of mining range in order to understand that, so be it.

I think you'll find that if you just sit back and think about what you're doing, you'll see that I'm right, join the New Order, and support me 110%. Cool
Gettinsome
Dawn Trading
#18 - 2012-07-29 21:48:49 UTC
I love these posts James, keep up the work. These barbaric highest miners need to realize there is a pecking order and they are at the very bottom:)

It would be nice to see you stepping up operations and getting some recruits, surely with more IPOs you could even pay them.
James 315
experimental fun times corp reloaded
CODE.
#19 - 2012-07-30 00:05:19 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Didn't you report the botters?

Report them? Does the fire department report fires, or do they put them out? I am Supreme Protector of Halaima and Kamio. When I suspect there are botters knocking about, I deal with them myself, according to my own rules. I don't waste my time with red tape and bureaucracy. Consider me the Jack Bauer of EVE. I do what's necessary. You may not like the way I go about it, but at the end of the day, I get results. Cool

We're both adults, Vaerah, so let's just level with each other. No pretense, no baloney. We both know that whenever people recount their use the "report bot" function, it's some variation of, "I reported the bots X times but they're still here." Yes, by all means, petition people for botting. But we cannot abdicate our own responsibilities. It's our community, so we deal with the problems ourselves.

In any case, I'm less concerned about botters violating the EULA than I am with their violations of the Code of Conduct.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#20 - 2012-07-30 06:59:01 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Didn't you report the botters?

Report them? Does the fire department report fires, or do they put them out? I am Supreme Protector of Halaima and Kamio. When I suspect there are botters knocking about, I deal with them myself, according to my own rules. I don't waste my time with red tape and bureaucracy. Consider me the Jack Bauer of EVE. I do what's necessary. You may not like the way I go about it, but at the end of the day, I get results. Cool

We're both adults, Vaerah, so let's just level with each other. No pretense, no baloney. We both know that whenever people recount their use the "report bot" function, it's some variation of, "I reported the bots X times but they're still here." Yes, by all means, petition people for botting. But we cannot abdicate our own responsibilities. It's our community, so we deal with the problems ourselves.

In any case, I'm less concerned about botters violating the EULA than I am with their violations of the Code of Conduct.


If the fire department guy sees a woman being attacked in a road he will dial the police.

Reporting botters in no way hinders your responsibilities. You can still bump and burn them at leisure, CCP take their time to deal with them so you have ample room to do your stuff.
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