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[discussion] The AlleyKat Loophole: "The Lore" Versus Creativity

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#1 - 2012-07-27 12:28:54 UTC
I'm going to get hatemail for this post, but I'm prepared for the onslaught...

Reading the last few years of fiction posts, there appears to be a running theme related to people's response to:

a) Fiction which contradicts The Lore
b) Fiction which supports The Lore

And I wished to voice my concern, and hopefully propose a loophole that appeases everyone, whether you have pitched your tent in camp a or camp b.

I do fully understand why there is The Lore, but feel that too many people have a fear of not wishing to either submit Fiction to the Community, or worse than this, do not begin or finish a work of fiction, due to the ammount of research required to appease The Lore.

This needs to end.

I offer a flexible loophole that is simplistic and allows the writer the freedom of expression without the need to become Neo in the Matrix and dodge bullets.

Each one of the prospective writers of fiction has a character inside of New Eden, and it is this character that makes the post with the fiction in it, or, creates a blog or otherwise, where they upload/submit their piece of fiction.

As a result; The Loophole is this: The character who submits the piece of fiction is a writer within New Eden, therefore is submitting fiction as penned by their character, not themselves.

Therefore, the piece of fiction submitted by your character is unrestrained completely, as it is the imagination of your character, not the person who owns the account that has the character.

I'm going to be as honest as I can here; it sickens me to think there are thousands of potential writers within this game, who dread the thought of submitting fiction - and having such a stringent set of parameters to contend with in addition to this, is so utterly counter-productive that I feel we, as the community, are missing out on tons of great stories as a result.

To be clear: I agree that EVE Online as a game is better off with The Lore in place, and I applaud CCP for what they have done, and continue to do, to support it. However, as we are not CCP, anything we write does not need to conform to the same constraints, because we cannot and do not write The Lore.

If someone wishes to write something to conform 'perfectly' to The Lore, you will have the exact same amount of respect that I would give to someone who uses The Loophole described within this post.

Comments please...

AK

This space for rent.

Roga Dracor
Federation of Freedom Fighters
VINDICTIVE
#2 - 2012-07-27 12:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I think that too many people have preconceptions about what "The Lore" is.. It has been said that the general lay of the story has always been there. I take CCP at their word on this.

That said, there is roughly the same amount of time spent in recovering from the closure of Eve as we humans have been pulling ourselves from the mud, without the benefit of technology from a previous ten thousand years of advances. New Eden encompasses a thousand plus times the real estate we enjoy in the here and now. There is plenty of room for speculative fiction that will in no way interfere with CCP's canon..

Fiction that is unfettered from compliance with "The Lore".. Fiction that might seem to conflict with "The Lore".. Like a jigsaw puzzle we have been trying to assemble, all the pieces have not been spread out on the table, so what might appear to be a picture of Santa Claus at this point, might turn out to be the Grinch who stole Christmas... If the piece you add fits, is primarily red cloth, with some white tassling attached, you should be ok...

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Luna Mori
AmmuNacionale
#3 - 2012-07-27 17:39:33 UTC
All made worse by the contradictions apparent in The Lore. It bugs me when I find what is already written is sometimes ignored, and new 'official' material in the form of money-making novels becomes the new canon.

In-game we are told the word Ammatar was first used by the Gallente to describe the Nefantar collaborators choosing to live in the Amarrian Empire. No problem, until a poorly researched novel is released, announcing that it was the Amarrian Emperor who first coined the phrase Ammatar.

Someone dropped a b*llock. Because the novel can't be changed (and it's earning money), we have to live with both explanations. When I challenged this in Evelopedia I was told by a moderator both are to be considered canon rather than denounce the novel and stick with what was written nearly a decade ago.

It seems it does not matter what YOU think is canon, or what has been written before, because at any moment it can be changed by CCP themselves through the production of a badly researched novel. I feel sorry for anyone whose game has been affected by any such changes.

To overcome any contradictions and c*ck-ups I follow one rule: I use what I can see or read in-game. There's still loads of room to use the AlleyKat Loophole without breaking The Lore. If my character says she saw a giant space jellyfish out the starboard window, then that's what she said. Your character is quite free to denounce mine as a nutter and suggest that it was actually the port window. However, don't try telling me one line in a novel changes what we all know to be established history.

General Secretary, Ani Tribal Assembly

Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-27 21:00:43 UTC
Luna Mori wrote:
All made worse by the contradictions apparent in The Lore. It bugs me when I find what is already written is sometimes ignored, and new 'official' material in the form of money-making novels becomes the new canon.

In-game we are told the word Ammatar was first used by the Gallente to describe the Nefantar collaborators choosing to live in the Amarrian Empire. No problem, until a poorly researched novel is released, announcing that it was the Amarrian Emperor who first coined the phrase Ammatar.


Because in the whole history of the world, never ever two contradictory explanations have been given as cause of a phenomenon by different people. Who would imagine that happening?

You can't belive "what a character says" to be accurate to the "truth" (aka official lore). If it contradicts with what another character says, or the official explanation, then one, both, or none is wrong.

We are supposed to be our capsuleers. And that's how the information comes to us. I'll give you an example: We think that we came trough the EVE gate. Everything in the lore point on that direction. But only because all the people in the cluster belives so. If tomorrow CCP decides that in fact strong evidence appeared pointing that we actually never crossed any gate, and Jita planet IV is what was time ago known as Earth, then it will be again only as strong lore as the supposed evidence are supossed to be.

Corollary: Only because the lore says "This is this way" doesn't mean it is. It only means that the cluster belives that is the way it is, at the moment of saying it.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2012-07-27 22:24:48 UTC
...there's another, far simpler answer: Simply state that you do not know all the lore, or that you've taken some artistic liberties with the lore and understand that this doesn't perfectly match what has been published. At that point, you've cleared yourself of all strict dedication to the Prime Fiction, and the only thing that people should criticize you on is the writing itself.

Keep in mind, if you're using this as an excuse to bring in something completely out of place in the EVE universe, like introducing shapeshifting dinosaur capsuleers as characters (unfortunately not a totally random example...) then people may still criticize you for not sticking to the universe.
Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-07-28 10:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Evet Morrel
A work of fiction should be judged on its own merits: its ability to provoke, to stimulate. Like all art it will have an aesthetic effect which as the name implies is about feeling - or alternatively an anesthetic effect (:|. In my view all fiction is welcome, I've even read some pretty good fascist stories here, because there is - unfortunately - such a thing as a good fascist story, even though one may wish otherwise, there it is.

I've made up details of Eve history to enrich a story, largely because eve hasn't enough history of its own. Invention and freedom from constraint is a compelling reason to write sci-fi isn't it, but investigating ourselves is the best of all reasons to write?
Boffles
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-07-28 11:02:24 UTC
Evet Morrel wrote:
A work of fiction should be judged on its own merits: its ability to provoke, to stimulate.


This says it all.

AlleyKat wrote:

If someone wishes to write something to conform 'perfectly' to The Lore, you will have the exact same amount of respect that I would give to someone who uses The Loophole described within this post.


100% agree. As to your loophole I have thought that for many years but I also don't think you need to use that all the time.

History is about who wrote it and so can be both right and wrong at the same time. The classic line is history is writen by the winner is actually not always true. The best "story" wins out.

Take the example of Richard III. Only a few people know the true details of his two year reign. Instead most people know the hunchback evil character created by shakespeare because it is the better story. in a thousand years which will be the true history.

Lore is over such a huge span of time that mistakes, misquote and downright lies can exist without fear of destroying the Lore. More importantly Lore is flexiable and can be stretched more then an olympic weightlifter's shorts. If it doesn't fit, don't make the story fit the Lore but come up with a way to tweak the Lore to fit the story.

Check out my latest Chronicle in EON #28 - The Soulless Pilgrim http://www.eonmagazine.co.uk/

Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-29 07:52:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Evet Morrel
I think I'll bite the bullet and subscribe to EON, it does look good.

I'm not sure that Shakespeare's history plays will ever be taken as true history - they have been a history generally believed. We are just emerging from the sway of 'historical accounts', such as the bible for instance. However, what Richard III does teach, and to my mind more usefully, is the relationship between the illusion of determinism/fate, paranoia and freewill.

Here are some 'CHRONOPHYSICS' loopholes, and examples from that trope you might consider. If formerly history had a certain course (e.g. a certain corporal dying in 1945), then later I go back and alter things (in 1920), this implies a before-and-after temporal framework (metatime) which is independent of the internal chronology of the alternative histories. Any process involving chains of cause-and-effect which are discontinuous and/or retrograde. Any Time Travel device, including wormholes and chronoscopes. Worldline, timestream, possible course of history, parallel universe. Divergent history: Stalin invades Roumania, and there is a Russo-British nuclear war in 1952. Parallel history, Reverting history: As above, but with the corrections taking place over metatime. Saboteurs find life strangely confusing – perhaps they all paradox one another into oblivion.