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[Video] Rebirth 4 (Empire PVP)

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NightmareX
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2012-07-10 13:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Hey \Big smile

I'm finally back with a new movie (hoooray). My last movie that was 'Bringers Of Hatred' didn't go as planned, so i'm trying again with a new movie about empire PVP this time.

After i left Infinitus Odium (INFOD) i had to find me a place where i could take my security status up so i could get back into empire. So i did that and i joined 'Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers (MBALM)' again. But i had to change to another empire PVP corp after a little while because 'Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers' wasn't active in the end. So i ended up by joining Rebirth.

When i joined Rebirth. earlier, i was thinking it was just a normal empire PVP corp like 'Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers'. I was wrong about that for the most part, because Rebirth. is WAAAY more than just a normal empire PVP corp Pirate.

This movie is going to show you what i'm talking about here. We are doing lots of war decs against other PVP forces in empire (and sometimes in low sec to) and we are having alot of fun against them. In short, empire is burning now.

I'm not gonna say much more than i'm REALLY enjoying my time in Rebirth.

This movie contains fights recorded by me and Ushwi Hobak.

YouTube link: Rebirth 4

EVE-Files link: Rebirth 4

Ships used:

- Vindicator (Me and Ushwi Hobak)
- Megathron (Only me)
- Paladin (Ushwi Hobak)
- Myrmidon (Ushwi Hobak)

File info:

- File type: MP4
- Codec: H.264
- Bitrate: 6.5 Mbps
- Resolution: 1920x1080 (Ushwi Hobak's footages are smaller in resolution and might be a little blurry compared to my footages)
- Size: 1.36 GB
- Length: 29 minutes and 28 seconds

Songs and programs that are used in the movie are written in the outro in the movie. So i'm not gonna waste space here by writing that down here.

There is also a little announcement in the end of the movie that i think is good Blink.

I hope you enjoy the movie.

Thanks goes to:

- CCP (because i can play EVE Online that is the best MMO game ever)
- Kai86 (for letting me join Rebirth.)
- Ushwi Hobak (for letting me include your fraps footages into my movie)
- All of the corp members in Rebirth. for letting me be a part of the best PVP action i have had so far
- Chribba (Eve-Files is an amazing service)
- Google (because of YouTube)

**********Disclaimer**********

If you don't like logistics, then don't watch this movie, because it contains with lots of logistics in our fights because we are fighting outnumbered most of the times.

Some mistakes are both done by me and Ushwi Hobak in the movie, so you don't really have to mention that, because we both knows all of our mistakes Big smile.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#2 - 2012-07-10 13:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Buhhdust Princess
Watched, Enjoyed, had to skip back a couple times to see shiptypes, would have been nice to put the list up permanently.
-Buhhd
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#3 - 2012-07-10 13:31:22 UTC
The editing is nice and music is pretty good, however the content is most likely what you are going to get smacked for.

People dont like to watch a bunch of BS hug a station/gate with logi in highsec. People barely like it in low/null.

I found it rather boring, its a shame the editing is far beyond the quality of "pvp".
NightmareX
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2012-07-10 13:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Gibbo5771 wrote:
The editing is nice and music is pretty good, however the content is most likely what you are going to get smacked for.

People dont like to watch a bunch of BS hug a station/gate with logi in highsec. People barely like it in low/null.

I found it rather boring, its a shame the editing is far beyond the quality of "pvp".


Well, as long as we are fighting outnumbered, then i think it's fair that we are using logistics.

Just take the 2nd fight in Jita where i'm in my Vindicator where we have 2x Logistics against those who we are fighthing that have 8x Logistics.

We still managed to kill 2 ships though Big smile

And i'm suprised that you don't know that most of the fights in empire happens at stations and gates. Alot of fights in 0.0 space are also happening at the gates and stations to.

So i don't really see a problem here.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Aldap
Fearless Tiger.
Tactical Narcotics Team
#5 - 2012-07-10 13:49:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldap
Seeing as this thread degenerated into pure patheticness, I have to edit my post to remove any form of respect I gave Nightmare in the first place. Unfortunately this boy is all about attention.

An interesting article about Solo PvP: http://themittani.com/features/new-eden-solo

NightmareX
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#6 - 2012-07-10 13:54:46 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Aldap wrote:
Top notch video quality and editing.
Really great music.
But the fights were very boring for me, after a few min of realizing this id all that's going to show, I quickly browsed through the rest.
Still appreciate the great effort that it took to make this kind of production and its very noticeable! very well done :-)


Ok, thank you, specially when it comes from you Big smile

But i think it's kinda hard to make someone happy as long there is fights going on at the stations or gates in empire. I have a feeling that no matter how good the fights is, then it might be boring for someone just because it's done in empire at stations and gates.

Because some of the fights is really good though.

EDIT: What we are doing and how we roll in empire is something that you can't get better action from. So you wont find any other pvp movies from empire today that have more action in it (correct me if i'm wrong).

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Prozacxx
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#7 - 2012-07-10 14:41:09 UTC
Hahaha


Hahaha


Haahhaahaahaha

I guess u can enjoy bump lol
NightmareX
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2012-07-10 14:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Prozacxx wrote:
Hahaha


Hahaha


Haahhaahaahaha

I guess u can enjoy bump lol


Ok, lets be clear here.

Anyone who expect an empire movie to be a pro 1 vs 1 movie is on the wrong planet lolLol.

I'll repeat, this is an empire movie and not a 1 vs 1 or blobby 0.0 space movie.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Kubiq
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-07-10 14:52:16 UTC
Can you upload to eve-files pls pls?

-Kubiq
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#10 - 2012-07-10 15:09:43 UTC
Much like everyone else, I rate your editing highly. Intro could be about 20% faster though. Clearly you want to make a decent pvp vid but once I watched the first warp in to a station I snoozed.

Unfortunately station fights/gate fights are very much a 'you had to be there' experience for most.

You'll probably get similar comments but don't lose heart on making vids. Try to make the content interesting to the random watcher as those that enjoy watching high sec fighting are few and far between.

Major Killz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-07-10 15:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Killz
I'm @ work and I'm bored. So, I downloaded (freemakevideodownloader) this flm and didn't expect much.

First thing. The introduction was hilarious. It goes something like this and I'm paraphrasing "my other video in low sec was bad so I wanted to make a better one about high sec wars" WTF. I really like your logic ROFL Lol

Things have already gone downhill but then! Shock! The first fleet engagement was good \0/ I was suprised to say the least. Infact! Alot of footage was really good, but there was some bad ones in between good ones. You should have left those out.

If you like Rooks and Kings films, you'll like this. It's not as immersive. You wont hear narration or voice over ip in battol. Which would make this film alot better, but it's still good.

Very good improvement over your first. The editing was good and that rendered introduction was really good (I think you recycled it from your other film).


- proxyyyy

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ![/u]

Crrrazy Ivan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-07-10 15:26:56 UTC
Contrary to what other people have said I really enjoyed the content, video quality and the editing. I much prefer to see a bunch of Battleships and Battlecruisers brawling instead of the typical nano-faggotry. However, if you do want to improve the video in the future then I would recommend using a larger variety of clips as opposed to the current station brawls.
NightmareX
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#13 - 2012-07-10 16:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Ok, thanks to those who did give me a reply here.

I like those positive criticism on my movie.

That's what i want to see.

Kubiq wrote:
Can you upload to eve-files pls pls?

-Kubiq


My movie is uploaded to eve-files in 20 mins, so stay put.

EDIT: Major Killz, thanks for your reply to.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

NightmareX
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2012-07-10 16:35:44 UTC
Kubiq wrote:
Can you upload to eve-files pls pls?

-Kubiq


It's uploaded to EVE-Files now.

Get it here: Rebirth 4

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#15 - 2012-07-10 23:35:03 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Gibbo5771 wrote:
The editing is nice and music is pretty good, however the content is most likely what you are going to get smacked for.

People dont like to watch a bunch of BS hug a station/gate with logi in highsec. People barely like it in low/null.

I found it rather boring, its a shame the editing is far beyond the quality of "pvp".


Well, as long as we are fighting outnumbered, then i think it's fair that we are using logistics.

Just take the 2nd fight in Jita where i'm in my Vindicator where we have 2x Logistics against those who we are fighthing that have 8x Logistics.

We still managed to kill 2 ships though Big smile

And i'm suprised that you don't know that most of the fights in empire happens at stations and gates. Alot of fights in 0.0 space are also happening at the gates and stations to.

So i don't really see a problem here.


Most fights happen in nullsec/lowsec on gates and stations yep, the big difference is its either a fight when you are fighting <10 vs 20-30, you are normally out gunned, outnumbered and most likely have ECM and logi on hostile gang or its a solo or 2-3 man gang taking the utter **** and exploiting enemy mistakes, bad positioning and team work. All you are doing here is locking and pushing f1 and calling for reps, then spamming dock if you think you cant tank it. Its about as entertaining as watching a fraps of a 500 man drake fleet fight a 500 man maelstrom fleet with no brackets on.

The fights just seem boring, knowing the fact that its happening in high sec space where easy failsafes are in place, neutral RR for instance. Its just boring knowing you could just undock a bunch of neutral guardians, if you have them or not.

No offense, its everyones game and if thats your style I wont bash it. Like I said the editing is outstanding but the content is not to my liking.
NightmareX
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#16 - 2012-07-10 23:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Gibbo5771 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Gibbo5771 wrote:
The editing is nice and music is pretty good, however the content is most likely what you are going to get smacked for.

People dont like to watch a bunch of BS hug a station/gate with logi in highsec. People barely like it in low/null.

I found it rather boring, its a shame the editing is far beyond the quality of "pvp".


Well, as long as we are fighting outnumbered, then i think it's fair that we are using logistics.

Just take the 2nd fight in Jita where i'm in my Vindicator where we have 2x Logistics against those who we are fighthing that have 8x Logistics.

We still managed to kill 2 ships though Big smile

And i'm suprised that you don't know that most of the fights in empire happens at stations and gates. Alot of fights in 0.0 space are also happening at the gates and stations to.

So i don't really see a problem here.


Most fights happen in nullsec/lowsec on gates and stations yep, the big difference is its either a fight when you are fighting <10 vs 20-30, you are normally out gunned, outnumbered and most likely have ECM and logi on hostile gang or its a solo or 2-3 man gang taking the utter **** and exploiting enemy mistakes, bad positioning and team work. All you are doing here is locking and pushing f1 and calling for reps, then spamming dock if you think you cant tank it. Its about as entertaining as watching a fraps of a 500 man drake fleet fight a 500 man maelstrom fleet with no brackets on.

The fights just seem boring, knowing the fact that its happening in high sec space where easy failsafes are in place, neutral RR for instance. Its just boring knowing you could just undock a bunch of neutral guardians, if you have them or not.

No offense, its everyones game and if thats your style I wont bash it. Like I said the editing is outstanding but the content is not to my liking.


I think you would have had another opinion on what's a good fight or not if you had been in Rebirth.

Always remember that we are fighting outnumbered ALOT of the time. In the last fight in the movie we have 1x Dominix, 1x Megathron, 1x Deimos and 4x Logistics vs 4x RR Dominix, 1x Typhoon, 2x Megathron, 1x Scorpion, 1x Drake and 1x Blackbird. Don't you think it's a risky game to engage that with what we had, considering that they had a Blackbird that could jam our logistics?

I don't really call that for only locking and pushing F1 and then call for reps. It's called good teamwork and very good piloting. Specially when we managed to kill a Scorpion and a Drake (yeah forgot to put the Drake into the battlereport in the movie) while we had 0 losses against that.

So i don't see the problem with the fights. Yeah 1 or 2 of the fights in the movie is a bit boring. I'm not affraid to say that. But that doesn't make the rest of the movie to be bad.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#17 - 2012-07-11 00:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
Good teamwork yes but good piloting, no. Many others are taking on similarly outnumbering odds, but they don't get the luxury of knowing quite how much dps is going to be coming their way or to undock extra RR always immediately in range, and be able to ignore all the other locals. They might be equally safe tanking via speed & range, but at least it requires manual piloting and conflicts with keeping things tackled to achieve any kills. You're sitting stationary 0km from the dock and just letting Eve number-crunch. It takes some planning but not much skill once it's done, so perhaps explain how you know how close/undecided the situation is/was rather than replay the UI being rather boring?

E.g. translated comms or hints as to your previous intel & derived counter-fitting; were you confident you'd accounted for some ECM appearing or all suddenly concerned things were about unravel rapidly, etc. Sadly modules cycling while ships don't move just ain't so fun to watch. Also people will assume you're flying what you can easily afford to lose, perhaps that was not the case.
NightmareX
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2012-07-11 00:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Daneel Trevize wrote:
Good teamwork yes but good piloting, no. Many others are taking on similarly outnumbering odds, but they don't get the luxury of knowing quite how much dps is going to be coming their way or to undock extra RR always immediately in range, and be able to ignore all the other locals. They might be equally safe tanking via speed & range, but at least it requires manual piloting and conflicts with keeping things tackled to achieve any kills. You're sitting stationary 0km from the dock and just letting Eve number-crunch. It takes some planning but not much skill once it's done, so perhaps explain how you know how close/undecided the situation is/was rather than replay the UI being rather boring?

E.g. translated comms or hints as to your previous intel & derived counter-fitting; were you confident you'd accounted for some ECM appearing or all suddenly concerned things were about unravel rapidly, etc. Sadly modules cycling while ships don't move just ain't so fun to watch. Also people will assume you're flying what you can easily afford to lose, perhaps that was not the case.


When you are fighting at station your fighting at station. Your not supposed to move around like a crazy man there.

You are supposed to not move much around to let the Battleships with RR's (like in the last fight) have a chance to use it's RR on you. If you have moved alot around, then you would have gotten out of the Megas RR range and the Mega would have to follow you and get out of his Blaster range to the war targets (in the last fight to take an example).

Do you get why we aren't moving much when we are fighting?

Again, it's about teamwork and it's about being a good pilot.

The fleets you have seen us fighting here in my movie is nothing compared to what we have been fighting here and here.

And guess what?

We killed about 75% of the RvB fleet in the first movie with 0 losses.

In the second movie there, we killed some of them there and we had 0 losses. It was DNS that did lose the fight by deaggressing and docking up.

EDIT: We always fly ships that we can afford to lose. Just to take an example. My Vindicator after i upgraded it 2 weeks ago is worth 5 bill isk now. And still, i can afford to lose it.

EDIT 2: Sometimes, it's pretty much impossible to explain something to someone simply because those doesn't get empire PVP warfare AT ALL.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#19 - 2012-07-11 01:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
Your response reveals the bubble you live in. Who says station fighting must be at 0km? Who said you had to do this with BSs? You can have logistic ships RR, thus you have range and could be in HACs or Command Ships/T3s and move about more, allowing for more tactics to draw the other fleets out of position. Everyone else does this everywhere else in Eve. In your case it's hard to tell someone being a good pilot from someone who's afk when they just leave their ship stationary. At least moving about within RR range would reduce dps from torps, maybe you could go for bumping people out of their RR range, there is merit to the tradeoff and something to try & risk failing at.

My point about the value of your setups is how it plays into the psychology of the situation, which isn't usually clear from videos. Were you all risking a month's earnings and thus being cautious, or feeling as though you didn't care much for losing everything fielded and thus pushing things to limits you'd not yet tried before? Basically some hint as to expectations vs reality would help people appreciate what they're seeing. Whether what you faced & how you tanked & applied dps was everyday results or something unusual.
Taking 0 losses all the time is a sign you're not pushing things to their breaking point, you're operating within a safety margin, the mittens are still on. Eve is all about risk & loss, else you wouldn't care about killing the other guys.

Surely you've seen at least footage of other people's flying and understand there's a far more dynamic and fast-paced world to the other 90% of Eve PVP? Granted point-blank large blasters is fun, but it's a niche and mostly about the setup rather than what's frapsed/released.
NightmareX
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2012-07-11 01:37:27 UTC
Daneel Trevize wrote:
Your response reveals the bubble you live in. Who says station fighting must be at 0km? Who said you had to do this with BSs? You can have logistic ships RR, thus you have range and could be in HACs or Command Ships/T3s and move about more, allowing for more tactics to draw the other fleets out of position. Everyone else does this everywhere else in Eve. In your case it's hard to tell someone being a good pilot from someone who's afk when they just leave their ship stationary. At least moving about within RR range would reduce dps from torps, maybe you could go for bumping people out of their RR range, there is merit to the tradeoff and something to try & risk failing at.

My point about the value of your setups is how it plays into the psychology of the situation, which isn't usually clear from videos. Were you all risking a month's earnings and thus being cautious, or feeling as though you didn't care much for losing everything fielded and thus pushing things to limits you'd not yet tried before? Basically some hint as to expectations vs reality would help people appreciate what they're seeing. Whether what you faced & how you tanked & applied dps was everyday results or something unusual.
Taking 0 losses all the time is a sign you're not pushing things to their breaking point, you're operating within a safety margin, the mittens are still on. Eve is all about risk & loss, else you wouldn't care about killing the other guys.

Surely you've seen at least footage of other people's flying and understand there's a far more dynamic and fast-paced world to the other 90% of Eve PVP? Granted point-blank large blasters is fun, but it's a niche and mostly about the setup rather than what's frapsed/released.


The reason we have 0 losses in fleet fights for the most part (we had 2 losses in the low sec fight though) is because we are a merc corp that takes losses seriously. A merc corp shouldn't have many losses so they can be hired more easily.

Why do you think we have so many who hates us or want to hire us to kill someone?

Not only that, but we have kicked someone out of Rebirth. after they have done stupid things and lost their ships outside of fleets.

We are EXTREMELY good at what we are doing. That's the point i'm all talking about. A merc corp cares ALOT about their losses.

So just because we have 0 losses in many fights doesn't means it's a bad fight.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

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