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Somer Blink: Legit or Scam?

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#21 - 2012-07-03 06:55:19 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
RMT clearing house...
Basically this.

You can see in games past where the same person as bought all the slots.

Clearly a dirty ISK loss, but a clean prize gain.
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#22 - 2012-07-03 07:09:32 UTC
If it turns out to be a scam I demand a nice "thanks for all the fish" post by Somer lol

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Drake Dahma
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-07-03 07:16:01 UTC
If blink is a scam, then this new chimera sitting on my hanger is a lie....but I'm looking right at it so it must be legit.

For once the Cake is not a lie.

I've won some nice ships off blink. Including a Chimera today for only 760 mill. :)
Bree Okanata
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-07-03 07:20:32 UTC
I've used it and won plenty. Lost some, but I have won more than I lost. It's legit, as far as I can tell. The guy who wrote that one blog (as far as I know) tried to blackmail Somer Lotteries for them to buy a good review. They didn't pay, so he got angry and wrote that.
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#25 - 2012-07-03 07:24:35 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Confirming Blink is legit, if played in moderation its good fun, but its VERY addicting. Have a plan for when to walk away.

Bro, you make it sound like gambling!

Oh, wait... :p

Its even worse than normal gambling, isk isn't real. So easy to fritter away billions.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Eugene Kerner
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2012-07-03 07:26:36 UTC
I won my first Domi there and a ton of other stuff. It is a lottery so the lottery wins in the end, but your chances to grab some ships and come out with a posotive wallet are given.

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Tau Cabalander
Yamagata Syndicate
#27 - 2012-07-03 07:28:01 UTC
I sent ISK. I had some "fun". I have a few more ships in my hangar now thanks to Somer.

Probably better ways to spend ISK, but I didn't find it to be a scam.
Bobo Cindekela
#28 - 2012-07-03 07:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobo Cindekela
I have to point out that even if 100 characters replied and said its legit and they are staring at NNNNN ship they won in their hangar, it only takes 1 plex (500m) to make a near endless stream of biomassed shill forum alts

not saying that everyone is, just that your request for information can be subverted easily

gambling is a tax on people who are bad at math.

You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,  this is your final warning.

Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-07-03 07:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrev Nox
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
While this does look extremely /tinfoil

I really do wonder how a player can be winning blinks in august 2011 while only existing in eve since may 2012

It's possible the blog and screenshot of the char's birthdate has been faked, I'm not in game to verify things atm, it's extremely suspicious if those screenshots are legit though.

That bit is just some good ole fashioned tinfoil :p

The char in question is indeed younger than their Blink account. We only allow one Blink account per human being. When someone sells a character, or just wants to change which character they use to Blink on, we transfer their old Blink account over to their new character. No tinfoil needed :)

In answer to the OP - The person who made that blog sent us a mail a month or so ago. He asked us to send him 49B isk in order for him to post something happy in his bio. He said if he didn't get the money, he'd make a page to try and cause problems for us.

If we wanted to give away 49B - we'd just have lots of promos. If we wanted to give away 250B - we'd have a party: like the current one :p Last I checked, his "fee" to take down the site was around 100b. So we've still got a few more celebrations to go before his opinion costs more than we already give away :)

He did, however, mention in his mail "I will reimburse those players the amount they have lost, from the additional ISK collected." - so if you do wind up on the wrong side of luck, couldn't hurt to shoot him a mail to get it back :)

Edit to add: I'd also recommend asking people you already know, rather than anonymous strangers on the forums. Maybe start with some of these guys from the BPO investment corp you used to be part of - some of their members might be Blinkers :) Their blog was hosted on the same site in a similar style, so they're probably familiar with the author of the blog you're linking, too :)

Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.

Drake Dahma
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-07-03 07:47:13 UTC
Andrev Nox wrote:

He did, however, mention in his mail "I will reimburse those players the amount they have lost, from the additional ISK collected." - so if you do wind up on the wrong side of luck, couldn't hurt to shoot him a mail to get it back :)

Orly? So your saying playing Blink is now a Win-Win for us? :P If we win we win if we lose...we pester this guy for our isk

Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-07-03 08:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Drake Dahma wrote:
If blink is a scam, then this new chimera sitting on my hanger is a lie....but I'm looking right at it so it must be legit.

I think it is useful to think of blink not so much as a lottery than as a slot machine (as its real-time playing style feels much more like playing a slot machine)

I think what spawns these suspicions is that many people intuitively understand that "true" randomness with a constant price/(probability of winning) is a bad way to keep players hooked.

If the player depletes his bankroll due to a losing streak after the first few games he will be dissatisfied and unhappy - remember that at the end of the day he pays for entertainment and that entertainment has to be provided to him.

In real-life regulations force slot machine designers to keep each roll independent from the previous ones (unless it is explicitly stated by the game otherwise) and they try to make up for this by giving some mid-sized pay-outs a relatively high probability (some excitement to keep the player interested but not enough to make him take his winnings and go home) and by allowing the player only to bet a small part of his bankroll on each roll (so he won't deplete it too fast).

In EVE no such regulations exist and it would be possible to design a system where wins approach a uniform distribution (for each number) over a long time but the randomness gets "massaged" a little in the short-term.
Why not give a new player a hidden bonus so he gets a favorable first impression of the site?
Is it really a great idea to allow unlimited losing streaks to any player?
How can I prevent the player from quitting early (due to losing streaks or wins)?

Blink faces two serious problems compared to RL slot machines (due to its lottery-style format):
- it allows players to lose a lot of money in a really short time (which is not fun).
- there is no way to keep the player happy with some small payouts, he either wins or loses each blink without any middle ground and the size of win/loss is chosen by himself (achievements try to make up for this a little)

Blink has one massive advantage over conventional slot machines:
- there is no way for the house to go into the red even temporarily (the only possibly loss is due to opportunity cost when market prices change)
- players don't occupy one of a limited number of seats, keeping them around playing is cheap.

The first advantage makes playing with the probabilities riskless for the lottery provider.

I don't know what Somer Blink is doing - I only use them occasionally to cash out the 100m credit I get from buying a GTC through their site.

But if I were to design a gambling site like Blink I would try to massage probabilities to take some control over the pacing of each player's play session to "optimize" his entertainment while still approaching the expected distributions over the long-term.


Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-07-03 08:20:22 UTC
Vera - we've seen a few of the copycat sites over the years try that strategy. It was interesting to watch, but not really feasible in an Eve environment where alts are easy and unidentifiable.

We try to use achievements, promos, bonus blinks, minibonks, bonks, and the other associated giveaways as a way to help cut off bad losing streaks. Anytime someone gets "too far in" for their comfort, my first suggestion is always to just lay off the normal blinks and surf the promos till they're back "in the black" :)

For the more technically minded - our draws are all independent of each other. This is the code we use - just an open call to :)

For the non-technical folks (like me) - we poke saying "Hai! Number between 1 and X please!" and replies with "SHORE! Here's number Y. That is winnar now!"

Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.

Ms Kat
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-07-03 09:17:45 UTC
Blink is 100% legit.

Only word of warning I may offer is make sure to read the details on the website clearly, and make sure you youtrself dont make an error. Im specificaly refering to the deposit of ISK, alot of scammers have setup corps with names almost identical to the official sommer blink corp, so just doublecheck any deposits :)

blink blink... blink blink
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-07-03 09:29:03 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
Ariel Armani wrote:

I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun".

Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link -

[freshly created blog which no-one gave me the link to but I posted here to draw attention]

That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences".

So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad?

Thanks! Smile

I call you out on total BS
You created that blog. It's brand-new and "someone sent me this link" ?? Total crap.
What did you lose ? 1 Billion, 2 Billion ?
Or did they turn down your recruitment application ?
It's gambling and totally legit whether you like it or not.
Your posting of that link here is proof that you invented it.

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Chase The Dragon
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-07-03 09:30:42 UTC
It's a scam. It's possible to predict the winning number (80+% chance). The majority of wins are to 'normal' players to keep the ruse up, but a substantial percentage are to players 'in the know' and authorised by Somer Blink.

So basically, yes you can win but the odds are stacked against you.
Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-07-03 09:40:25 UTC
Chase - if we wanted to have "House Bets," we could just add a "House Bet" ticket to each Blink. No subterfuge required. Several of the copycats over the years have tried this idea, too. Some of them with some moderate success. :) We prefer a system where an actual player wins each item. And yes, where we make our money from the percentage of that transaction :)

The long and short is - we make plenty running it as a legit service. The one surefire way we could possibly screw it up would be to rig it. And killing your own golden goose requires a degree of mental handicap few people would ever be willing to engage in :p

Long before Blink, Somer ran a trusted 3rd party service, a lottery hosting service, and her own forum-based lottos. Blink didn't spring into existence from some faceless alt. It was STARTED from a position of trust, and has been building on that for almost two years now :)

Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.

#37 - 2012-07-03 10:01:54 UTC
Chase The Dragon wrote:
It's a scam. It's possible to predict the winning number (80+% chance). The majority of wins are to 'normal' players to keep the ruse up, but a substantial percentage are to players 'in the know' and authorised by Somer Blink.

So basically, yes you can win but the odds are stacked against you.

It's even better - just get control of and you can predict 100% of winning tickets.

I've played a bit there and so far my odds are near what they should be (13.33% currently, I allways take just one ticket and mostly in 8 ticket games.)

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JC Anderson
Capitalist Army
#38 - 2012-07-03 10:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Not a scam, and they make an ungodly amount of ISK even running it legit.

People get addicted to it though. A friend of mine won a machariel, a carrier, and a daredevil in a row with only buying one ticket a piece.

We told him he should stop right there but instead he decided to push his luck and keep going. After winning three in a row i believe he figured the odds to be much better than they actually were.

Because of this he began buying more than one ticket on each slot. He wasn't having as much luck and continued to increase the amount of tickets for each blink. In the end I think he lost more than the worth of the ships he won at the start.

Then our CEO Alekseyev decided to try and won a thanatos on his first try with only 1 ticket.

He was smart and quit after that. ;)
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
#39 - 2012-07-03 10:17:36 UTC
Only the creators really know i guess. Sure you win here and there but who is to say the winning ticket selection it truly random...
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-07-03 10:19:06 UTC
The blog writer got a little bit carried away and mistook ISK for $ wrote:
Now... It's easy to see how Somer Blink
has taken over 150 trillion dollars!