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Before you complain about other players in the game.

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Qolde
Valtam Of Nioavellir
#1 - 2012-06-08 05:19:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Qolde
Welcome to Eve.

"EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." --CCP Wrangler *

Nonconsensual Ship combat will not go away. Eve didn't even have sentry guns or CONCORD at the beginning. It is part of the core philosophy of the game.

"I'm also against the lack of danger and the awful boring times when you are just chugging along and nothing threatens you."
--CCP Oveur, 2004.07.01

"All of it occured in the same framework of unrestricted player movement and limitless player choice in a single, shared game universe. As our senior producer put it 'f*cking brilliant'." --CCP Explorer in reference to Burn Jita

You are never really soloing, and you are really always PVPing. Whether you acknowledge this, and how well you do this is your only choice while playing eve. You have never sold a mod to an NPC. Every mineral you mine lowers the value of EVERY other player's minerals. Every rat you pop lowers the isk value of every other players isk. Every sale you make is a sale the other guy didn't make. This is PVP. Player versus Player. This is EVE. Everybody Versus Everybody. They have the right to stop you. If your ship so happens to be in space it is a valid target, no matter what type of ship it is, what part of the cluster it resides, what mods it has fitted, no matter what you think.

Over the course of EVE's life, the players have adopted a number of mottos embodying the true spirit of the game. Some of which include:

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

Adapt or Die.

Harden the **** up. (HTFU)

Go back to world of warcraft (GB2WoW)

If you are having problems with the playstyle of others, it must be suggested that you refer to the above in order. After exhausting the first three, you may feel like this:

EVE is hard.


At this point of desperation, you may still be tempted to post on the forums about why you're leaving, at which point you will be showered with this well known question:

Can I have your stuff?

Nobody cares that you're leaving because you can't fend for yourself. Sure the Devs may attempt balance things here and there, such as making certain things even harder, but your hand will not be held. They are not being paid to babysit. They are being paid to share their dream with us. That dream includes the pain of significant loss. Many players have had a problem with other players. You are not the first, and you won't be the last. The difference between the wheat and the chaff is: they do something about it. They don't whine.

When Band of Brothers believed that G Alliance had a mothership on the build, they didn't whine for them to be nerfed, they round up others who would fight with them, and sieged EC-P8R 23/7 for a week.

When Goonswarm first started. They weren't the most experienced players, but they had the drive. They took out veteran alliances battleship fleets with rifters. RIFTERS. Look at them today.

So before you post, think about what you're going to say, and if it will even be worth your typing. Please.

*the actual quote is here as pointed out by Yuda Mann

If someone craps in your sandbox: 1. Light it on fire 2. Grab your shovel 3. Throw it back at them.

Syndrea Caedrion
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-08 05:22:05 UTC
That goes both ways.

They somehow managed to get every freak and creep in the universe in this one game, and then somehow managed to let them take it over, and then they somehow managed to stick us right smack in the middle.

Peta Michalek
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-08 05:22:36 UTC
In before 11 pages of same **** all over again.
Kijo Rikki
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-08 05:22:48 UTC
Quote:
You have never sold a mod to an NPC.

Every sale you make is a sale the other guy didn't make.

This is PVP. Player versus Player.


I will never look at the Auction House in WoW the same way again.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-06-08 05:22:56 UTC
good read

:)

Stalafur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-06-08 05:24:44 UTC
Yeah, got my hulk nearly blown up. Stashed it and pulled out my drake and searched for that m----f----- Pirate
Gotta have a fighting ship in reserve incase Big smile
Qolde
Valtam Of Nioavellir
#7 - 2012-06-08 05:28:58 UTC
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
That goes both ways.

I guess you're right. The forums are PVP as well. Pirate

If someone craps in your sandbox: 1. Light it on fire 2. Grab your shovel 3. Throw it back at them.

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#8 - 2012-06-08 05:29:28 UTC
Amen!

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Stalafur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-08 05:52:40 UTC
Miners can mine, but you gotta have a backup incase if the 'hood' tries to mess with you, atleast you got a handgun.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#10 - 2012-06-08 05:54:59 UTC
Qolde wrote:
This is EVE. Everybody Versus Everybody.

Ah, that's an awesome line.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-08 05:56:26 UTC
You like to-may-toes and I like to-mah-toes. Let's call the whole thing off!
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#12 - 2012-06-08 09:44:49 UTC
Good read.

The Tears Must Flow

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#13 - 2012-06-08 09:48:33 UTC
Honestly something in Eve needs to happen to stop all this **** posting about ganking. Is Eve really that dead that this is all people have to talk about?

PS. I don't really mean this thread per say but in general.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#14 - 2012-06-08 10:04:50 UTC
Good enough read OP. Of course 9 years later (7 for me) the jaded vet doesn't have your rose colored glasses. The only game I have rose colored glasses for really is SWG and I don't have to worry about anyone forcing me to take those off anymore.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-06-08 10:56:53 UTC
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
That goes both ways.


PVP'ers apparently don't grasp this notion.

Miners are free to mine. PVP'ers are free to blow them up. Where lies the problem here?

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#16 - 2012-06-08 11:01:14 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
That goes both ways.


PVP'ers apparently don't grasp this notion.

Miners are free to mine. PVP'ers are free to blow them up. Where lies the problem here?

Mostly in the fact that a good portion (not all) of the miners are trying very hard to convince CCP to make game changes that would prevent the pvpers from doing so.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#17 - 2012-06-08 11:03:42 UTC
Qolde wrote:
Welcome to Eve.

"EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." --CCP Wrangler

Nonconsensual Ship combat will not go away. Eve didn't even have sentry guns or CONCORD at the beginning. It is part of the core philosophy of the game.

"All of it occured in the same framework of unrestricted player movement and limitless player choice in a single, shared game universe. As our senior producer put it 'f*cking brilliant'." --CCP Explorer in reference to Burn Jita

You are never really soloing, and you are really always PVPing. Whether you acknowledge this, and how well you do this is your only choice while playing eve. You have never sold a mod to an NPC. Every mineral you mine lowers the value of EVERY other player's minerals. Every rat you pop lowers the isk value of every other players isk. Every sale you make is a sale the other guy didn't make. This is PVP. Player versus Player. This is EVE. Everybody Versus Everybody. They have the right to stop you. If your ship so happens to be in space it is a valid target, no matter what type of ship it is, what part of the cluster it resides, what mods it has fitted, no matter what you think.

Over the course of EVE's life, the players have adopted a number of mottos embodying the true spirit of the game. Some of which include:

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

Adapt or Die.

Harden the **** up. (HTFU)

Go back to world of warcraft (GB2WoW)

If you are having problems with the playstyle of others, it must be suggested that you refer to the above in order. After exhausting the first three, you may feel like this:

EVE is hard.


At this point of desperation, you may still be tempted to post on the forums about why you're leaving, at which point you will be showered with this well known question:

Can I have your stuff?

Nobody cares that you're leaving because you can't fend for yourself. Sure the Devs may attempt balance things here and there, such as making certain things even harder, but your hand will not be held. They are not being paid to babysit. They are being paid to share their dream with us. That dream includes the pain of significant loss. Many players have had a problem with other players. You are not the first, and you won't be the last. The difference between the wheat and the chaff is: they do something about it. They don't whine.

When Band of Brothers believed that G Alliance had a mothership on the build, they didn't whine for them to be nerfed, they round up others who would fight with them, and sieged EC-P8R 23/7 for a week.

When Goonswarm first started. They weren't the most experienced players, but they had the drive. They took out veteran alliances battleship fleets with rifters. RIFTERS. Look at them today.

So before you post, think about what you're going to say, and if it will even be worth your typing. Please.



If ypu want ppl to stop posting their whines will you stop posting yours ?

Tal
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#18 - 2012-06-08 11:06:19 UTC
the problem is the miners didn't want to be made exploded they just want to make the stuff so other people can be made to be exploded what would be nice for the miners is if they were invincible!!

yea not gonna happen i don't make miners die it's mean in the same way that taking candy from babies is mean sure you can do it and you get the candy (and some angry parent givin you a slap) but it's fun while you get the candy
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-06-08 11:07:40 UTC
Oh good, more alpha male posturing on The Real EVE(tm). Just what we needed!

No one has a problem with the sandbox itself. It's more when other people **** in the sandbox that there's a problem.
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
Get Off My Lawn
#20 - 2012-06-08 11:41:51 UTC
Qolde wrote:
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
That goes both ways.

I guess you're right. The forums are PVP as well. Pirate


OOOOoommmmm... OOOOoooommmm.... I am PVP'ing you with my brain!

vr
East

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