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Teams Removed From Competition

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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#1 - 2012-05-24 17:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Loxy
Dearest Alliance Tournament Interested Space Commanders,

Many of you have seen that there have been a few changes to the rules between this year and last year’s tournament. Aside from the usual yearly tweaks in format and ship composition we’ve also had to add or change some rules in order to provide an environment of fair competition, or as fair as competition can be within EVE. We learned as a team last year that in order to provide a fair environment for the entire EVE audience we need to be a lot more careful with the sometimes hard-to-gauge overlap in alliances in order to ensure that the tournament wasn’t simply packed with the B and C teams of immensely influential or powerful alliances. This is the EVE Alliance Tournament which we believe should be a venue for as many of the alliances as possible from within New Eden to compete for the top prize. We don’t believe that a small alliance who can only field one team should struggle against the odds simply to be a competitor with the odds stacked against them by people who have the capacity to essentially place multiple bets.

In addition to our concerns about smaller teams even being able to gain entry we’ve encountered a situation where carefully coordinated collusion between alliances, which from the tournament perspective operate as a single logical unit, can also twist the results which in our view presents an equally unfair playing field. This is not at all to say that there’s no place for metagaming of any kind in the tournament. This is EVE afterall and that represents a critical component of the universe we all enjoy. It does mean however that we need to pay increased attention to situations where there is a negative situation and enforce our rules equally and fairly in the spirit for which they were made.

It is because of these philosophical beliefs and changes that we have come to the tough decision of removing three teams from eligibility for competition in Alliance Tournament X.

It was widely known after the finals last year that Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak. had worked together as a single unit in order to game the competition. It was our hope that they would take their winnings and enter this year’s tournament as separate entities without having to consider a replay of last year. They are both individually highly competitive teams and when they are working in their own interests they are among the best. Unfortunately Hydra and Outbreak are working from the same playbook as last year, practicing together in a single corporation on the test server in a single wormhole. We view them as they represent themselves, which mirrors how they represented themselves last year, as a single entity. For that reason they are barred from competition having entered the tournament masquerading as two units while functioning in reality as one.

YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.

Other than removal from competition none of the teams affected will be penalized in any way and their application fees will be returned.

We know that some of you will agree with this decision and some of you, clearly those removed, will not. We have not gone into it lightly and have spent multiple hours deliberating about it. We are however, unanimous in this decision given the weight of the evidence and felt it best to get this out of the way prior to any bidding in the auction this evening. Ultimately we feel that the equal enforcement of these rules is necessary in order to provide a competitive and fair tournament environment and that was the basis for our decision. We apologize to those affected sincerely that we did not make this decision any sooner, but it was not one that was made lightly and needed to be given due attention. While we understand that some of you may be a bit put off please try to maintain some modicum of decorum (that means don’t be a butt) on the forums as the rules haven’t changed and we won’t be here to see your rage this evening as we’re running the auctions.

I also want to note that we will be continuing these investigations throughout the tournament and there may at later stages be teams that choose to game the system. Should that occur we will edit this thread and include additional information related to their removal.

With all that said we’re looking forward to moving on and making Alliance Tournament X the best and most competitive tournament ever so enjoy the rest of your evening!

Running list of removed teams:

Hydra Reloaded
Outbreak.
YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#2 - 2012-05-24 17:59:50 UTC
burn cheating bastards!

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#3 - 2012-05-24 18:01:34 UTC
Cool beans bro

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#4 - 2012-05-24 18:07:34 UTC
Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak...

if its only about those two you could give them the option for form ONE temporary alliance and participate with that in the competition. If they can fight side by side anyway it should be no problem.

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pBump
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#5 - 2012-05-24 18:08:04 UTC
Yes, the competitiveness and quality of Alliance Tournament X has been vastly improved by removing both Hydra and Outbreak.

Well played.


This is so plainly vindictive for last years final a 5 year old could see it.
Mik kyo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-24 18:24:45 UTC
Fair enough removing the CHEATERS but the waffles should be allowed to compete!
Mr Blue
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-05-24 18:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Blue
gf gf

tho in all fairness you should have let hydra/outbreak compete together as 1 team rather than banning them outright....
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#8 - 2012-05-24 18:28:09 UTC
How are PL allowed but 1 of Hydra or Outbreak not?
Musician
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-24 18:28:20 UTC
"With all that said we’re looking forward to moving on and making Alliance Tournament X the best and most competitive tournament ever so enjoy the rest of your evening!"

How do you justify this statement by removing the top two ranked alliances in your tournament-turned-comedy....
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-24 18:28:22 UTC
Wow you're mad

gf
Mr Blue
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-24 18:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Blue
Daneel Trevize wrote:
How are PL allowed but 1 of Hydra or Outbreak not?

PL dont train with waffles.. as waffles is generally not trusted at all(they are a feeder corp but is full of spys and whatnot). p big difference. compared to working together.
joefishy
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
#12 - 2012-05-24 18:33:01 UTC
what a joke.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#13 - 2012-05-24 18:33:39 UTC
No other teams are testing together? What about the TQ tourne run in (iirc) Syndicate earlier this year, is that allowed between said teams?

Surely if you disallow a B-team/secondary team, you get those involved to name an A/primary team and that is eligible.
Tawa Suyo
Hun-Select
#14 - 2012-05-24 18:33:46 UTC
Wow.

CCP are really angry about last years final aren't they?

I get you don't want the same level of meta gaming anymore (and frankly hydra/outbreak could have staged a more exciting/realistic final match), but banning both hydra and outbreak but allowing PL to still enter their A team smacks of favouritism and holding grudges.


Not to mention that you claim to want a high level of competition but then ban one of the best teams in the game. This will lower the overall skill level in the tournament and make for less exciting competition.


Either ban PL too or allow hydra/outbreak to enter a single team and declare the other the B team. Or at least have the decency to admit that this entire decision is based on a grudge...
KSUDruid
DARK ISHIIMI PROJECT
#15 - 2012-05-24 18:34:54 UTC
Daneel Trevize wrote:
How are PL allowed but 1 of Hydra or Outbreak not?


Probably due to the **** that happened last year in a dismal show

And free Waffles, poor lil fellas!
Ichera
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-24 18:37:27 UTC
Mr Blue wrote:
Daneel Trevize wrote:
How are PL allowed but 1 of Hydra or Outbreak not?

PL dont train with waffles.. as waffles is generally not trusted at all(they are a feeder corp but is full of spys and whatnot). p big difference. compared to working together.


Actually most of us were looking forward to stomping PL using our elite spy network and small gang experiance.

That said, its too bad. Though im not surprised by CCP's ruling because in essence we are still a training for for Sniggerdly.

Also, PL didn't orchestrate the debacle that was last years finals.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#17 - 2012-05-24 18:38:14 UTC
It was only the final that was bad, and understandably so. The key fights leading up to it were great examples of the best the Tourne can offer.

Please try to have more integrity than the Olympic and Euro football cup committees.
Alekto Descendant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-24 18:40:41 UTC
While I understand the rational for both Outbreak and Sniggwaffe not being allowed to compete, I feel banning Hydra is mistake. Hydra is a fantastic team, and puts a ridiculous amount of work into the alliance tournament. banning Hydra does not improve the quality of this tournament, drastically it reduces it.
Grog Drinker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-24 18:42:35 UTC
I honestly don't know if I will watch the tournament now. You have removed the best teams and lowered the bar significantly.
penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#20 - 2012-05-24 18:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: penifSMASH
Wouldn't it make more sense to prevent either Hydra OR Outbreak (instead of both) from competing?

Alekto Descendant wrote:
While I understand the rational for both Outbreak and Sniggwaffe not being allowed to compete, I feel banning Hydra is mistake. Hydra is a fantastic team, and puts a ridiculous amount of work into the alliance tournament. banning Hydra does not improve the quality of this tournament, drastically it reduces it.


also this, you're doing a disservice to the AT by barring them from it
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