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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-20 06:29:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Get rid of local, all secs. It fixes almost everything. You would have to work to locate a target. You would have to work to avoid a target. There would be risk in high sec. There would be risk in all secs.

Freighters could be caught during a war dec. Freighters could get through during a war dec.

You would still have Concord retaliation in high sec. You could still be camped, though if you break the camp it would be harder to hunt you down. Certainly no worse that what we have now but with compelling gameplay.

It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks of which people complain about.

It would make neutral alts almost irrelevant. Though not 100%. It would certainly make playing with one account a lot less of a disadvantage. Sure you might lose a few alt account subs, but you would gain many more subs by having more compelling gameplay. What good is a scout profession when they're revealed as soon as they enter system?

The changes the expansion are bringing aren't going to revitalize low sec or null sec and its certainly not going to promote or fuel war. Quite the opposite.

The devs and the playerbase talk a lot about EVE being hardcore, but as of yet i'm not really seeing the hardcore aspect to the game.
It's a boring campfest. Removing local removes that to a large degree.

To my ultra Orthodox carebear players, uncle Caliphy isn't throwing you under the bus. The threats you worry about occuring with this change would actually be resolvable by a merc corporation. If you are dec'd and you hire a merc the merc cannot sneak up on the enemy with everything displayed for them. They may be able to make your tormentors life a little more difficult but in most cases can't force a fight. With no local they could. If you are camped by a griefdec and you hire a reasonably sized merc to help you the griefer will never see them coming. It's win/win.

Even null entry points would be camped far less. Lets see the thirty man bubble camp consistently do it when a 150 man roaming gang warps in on them.

Local is holding EVE back. Period. Get rid of it and let EVE become great.

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Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-05-20 06:33:34 UTC

Caliph Muhammed wrote:

It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.

Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets.

Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-20 06:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Alara IonStorm wrote:

Caliph Muhammed wrote:

It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.

Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets.

Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks.


Then nerf bombs. Change them. Make them super powerful torpedoes that can only hit capitals. It would be a small sacrifice, and im a dedicated cloaky kind of player, for the greater good of the game.

But also remember that even if that were the case no local means that for that to occur a scouting operation would have had to of occured first. Maybe it would be a well earned uncounterable attack.
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-05-20 06:39:29 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

Caliph Muhammed wrote:

It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.

Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets.

Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks.


This is pretty much how it works now, even with local.

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Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#5 - 2012-05-20 06:40:26 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
You would have to work to locate a target.


That might work if you removed all default warp points for asteroid belts from the system menu. At the same time, make asteroid belts scanable via core probes. Otherwise, if you just remove local, it gives everyone the equivalent of a cloaking device until they're practically on top of you.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus

Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2012-05-20 06:42:53 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:

But also remember that even if that were the case no local means that for that to occur a scouting operation would have had to of occured first. Maybe it would be a well earned uncounterable attack.

No you don't need a scouting operation. No Local take 5 Ships into a Sanctum and and wait or just check them all.

Caliph Muhammed wrote:

Then nerf bombs. Change them. Make them super powerful torpedoes that can only hit capitals. It would be a small sacrifice, and im a dedicated cloaky kind of player, for the greater good of the game.

Nerf one of the best Anti Blob weapons in the game for this? How about instead go to wormhole space.

You wanna remove Local you gotta make cloak ships detectable and huntable to some degree.
Vyl Vit
#7 - 2012-05-20 07:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
You could even make folks appear in local only when they use it - like the NPC corp channel.
One wrong move and the jig is up.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#8 - 2012-05-20 07:15:40 UTC
This OP is filled with "no" and seasoned with "unsubstantiated fail".

Grow some balls.

Biomass yourself.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-05-20 08:00:28 UTC
this thread again worded what looks like the same old one that got squashed cause some idiot has no idea how to read the lore and why it is there and it is not in WHs?

Please biomass the toon now and save yourself the headaches down the road
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-20 08:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Botleten
If this were implemented, it would increase the danger of living in nullsec. You would need to balance this in some way, through increasing the defensive ability of nullsec dwellers. I would agree to removing local if it was instead replaced with an automated intel network based on sovereignty that automatically reported all violations of alliance space by a non-friendly entity, making instantly available to everyone in the alliance and blue to the alliance the intruder's ship type, current system, kill history, and profile link.
Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#11 - 2012-05-20 08:02:47 UTC
I have balls. They are on your chin. Big smilePirate

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-05-20 13:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
this thread again worded what looks like the same old one that got squashed cause some idiot has no idea how to read the lore and why it is there and it is not in WHs?

Please biomass the toon now and save yourself the headaches down the road


Lore lol. The game is a snoozefest. HTFU. What headache? Boredom doesn't bring headaches. It brings nausea. Also, alt-sh.it poasting reciting nerd memes is for terribaddies. Proof in this thread. The main ones retorting snarky have killboards that smell of kitty poo. I won't mention names but you know who you are. Peace to those with constructive criticism.
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#13 - 2012-05-20 13:28:53 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
kitty poo


Never touch kitty poo, by the way, there's a type of parasite egg that can move from the poo to your brain. I saw it on TV.

Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
this thread again worded what looks like the same old one that got squashed cause some idiot has no idea how to read the lore and why it is there and it is not in WHs?

Please biomass the toon now and save yourself the headaches down the road


There's actually a game attached to the lore, you should check it out
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#14 - 2012-05-20 13:29:17 UTC
This is the 500th post like this I've read.
Medarr
Knight Owl Corporation
#15 - 2012-05-20 13:33:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Medarr
Ban Bindy wrote:
This is the 500th post like this I've read.



but but... I like my localintelIseeyoubeforeyourgridloadsandicanwarpoftosomepos local..... savy?

Also QFT
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#16 - 2012-05-20 13:38:00 UTC
Medarr wrote:
savy?


"Savvy", capiche? P
Ohanka
#17 - 2012-05-20 13:59:37 UTC
You are one of the stupidest to have ever lived.

North Korea is Best Korea

Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-20 14:06:45 UTC
If you don't like local, go to wormhole space. Nobody's going to change the game on account of one mechanic you don't like.

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?

Gorki Andropov
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-20 14:28:25 UTC
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-20 14:33:47 UTC
I understand completely

And as my current wartarget you sat on a gate two jumps from me while you obvious alt lolled around trying to find me.

The Vindy was not bad but you should rethink the fitting on the tengu.


And as you are currently docked up in a station as im missioning i started to wonder if you will ever come out to play.

And you wardec me my Sociopathic friend
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
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