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Skin tones - CCP, this is not how ethnicity works

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#1 - 2012-05-03 01:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/Seriphyn/ccpdiversity.png < gooby wat da fak

For the 'caucasoid' bloodlines, 14 skin tones are fine. That type covers from Europe to India IRL, relatively same facial structure, but diverse range of skin tones, from pale (Celtic) to super dark (Tamil).

The problem emerges with 'negroid' and 'mongoloid' bloodlines. Female Brutor look fine with the 14 skin tones. Because the male Brutor is so obviously "I'm a black person", it does NOT work. Same with the Asian races...that Khanid looks like chocolate...

Secondly, if skin tones are freely available, why aren't hair colours as well? Restricted hair colours infers racial consistency...unrestricted skin tones does not. (locked clothing debate also)
Commissar Kate
NulzSec
#2 - 2012-05-03 01:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Commissar Kate
I'd have to agree as well, some of the skin tones look strange on certain blood lines. Now i'm all for having more options but I don't think a race like Caldari 'for example' should be able to have such a dark skin tone available, It looks weird and goes against eve lore.

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Secondly, if skin tones are freely available, why aren't hair colours as well? Restricted hair colours infers racial consistency...unrestricted skin tones does not. (locked clothing debate also)


I noticed my character, had a few more hair color options but I'm not sure if it was the full range.



Also if CCP is allowing more variety with skintones and hair color, why don't they just make all the clothing options available for all the races.
Simca Develon
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-03 02:00:32 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Also if CCP is allowing more variety with skintones and hair color, why don't they just make all the clothing options available for all the races.


Yes please.

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#4 - 2012-05-03 02:40:22 UTC
Just discovered my character's current skin tone is not available. Why not?

Seems a bit counterproductive to remove skin tones.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2012-05-03 17:24:55 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Just discovered my character's current skin tone is not available. Why not?

Seems a bit counterproductive to remove skin tones.

The new skintypes replace the old skin tones.
If you like your skin tone, and don't want to change it, you are free to keep it... just don't apply a skintype and save your character. You should be able to change everything else on your character.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#6 - 2012-05-03 17:25:52 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:

Also if CCP is allowing more variety with skintones and hair color, why don't they just make all the clothing options available for all the races.


This, so goddamn much.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2012-05-03 17:26:13 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/Seriphyn/ccpdiversity.png < gooby wat da fak
Secondly, if skin tones are freely available, why aren't hair colours as well? Restricted hair colours infers racial consistency...unrestricted skin tones does not. (locked clothing debate also)
The hair color restrictions have been lifted P

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#8 - 2012-05-03 17:47:37 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/Seriphyn/ccpdiversity.png < gooby wat da fak
Secondly, if skin tones are freely available, why aren't hair colours as well? Restricted hair colours infers racial consistency...unrestricted skin tones does not. (locked clothing debate also)
The hair color restrictions have been lifted P


Lift restrictions on racial clothing too please?

That goddamn Caldari jacket is mocking me ...

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-03 17:58:07 UTC
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#10 - 2012-05-03 19:09:13 UTC
I said this on backstage and I'll say it here too, Seri.

Entertain for a moment the idea that maybe our characters are immortal transhuman demigods, who can sleeve into a freshly-baked body composed of reconstituted bacon, vegetables and soylent green. Consider for a moment that these may be the kinds of people who ask the clone company to add gruesome facial scars to every single clone to look cool and edgy despite the fact that these people don't put themselves in harm's way - and the same with tattoos: you don't just buy that one tribal, you have the tattoo artist tag a dozen of your clones!

Considering this, might it not be possible that we should be looking at this as melanin-modified clones rather than rage about ethnicities and genetics?

tl;dr: chill the hell out.
Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#11 - 2012-05-03 21:49:01 UTC
I do think the archetypes are breaking down a little here, yes.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2012-05-03 23:31:21 UTC
Horatius Caul wrote:

Entertain for a moment the idea that maybe our characters are immortal transhuman demigods, who can sleeve into a freshly-baked body composed of reconstituted bacon, vegetables and soylent green.


Now people are made of SOYLENT GREEN?

Mind. Blown. Shocked

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#13 - 2012-05-04 00:08:20 UTC
They're made of Quafe Plus, silly.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-04 00:28:18 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/Seriphyn/ccpdiversity.png < gooby wat da fak

For the 'caucasoid' bloodlines, 14 skin tones are fine. That type covers from Europe to India IRL, relatively same facial structure, but diverse range of skin tones, from pale (Celtic) to super dark (Tamil).

The problem emerges with 'negroid' and 'mongoloid' bloodlines. Female Brutor look fine with the 14 skin tones. Because the male Brutor is so obviously "I'm a black person", it does NOT work. Same with the Asian races...that Khanid looks like chocolate...

Secondly, if skin tones are freely available, why aren't hair colours as well? Restricted hair colours infers racial consistency...unrestricted skin tones does not. (locked clothing debate also)


Sorry I disagree, it just looks wrong because of the lips, they aren't changing color with the rest of the skin.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-05-04 00:31:04 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Just discovered my character's current skin tone is not available. Why not?

Seems a bit counterproductive to remove skin tones.

The new skintypes replace the old skin tones.
If you like your skin tone, and don't want to change it, you are free to keep it... just don't apply a skintype and save your character. You should be able to change everything else on your character.


can't have the old ones and the new ones? I'm curious as to the limitation stopping you from having both available, or is it a design choice?

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-05-04 01:55:05 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Horatius Caul wrote:

Entertain for a moment the idea that maybe our characters are immortal transhuman demigods, who can sleeve into a freshly-baked body composed of reconstituted bacon, vegetables and soylent green.


Now people are made of SOYLENT GREEN?

Mind. Blown. Shocked



Bacon??? *lick arm* I don't taste like bacon... P
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#17 - 2012-05-04 15:32:33 UTC
Only thing I'm not going to be keen about is less subtle variation in the existing skin tones.


More variety is fine. But less subtlety isn't.

Straight

Where I am.

Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-04 15:37:40 UTC
My race is gallente but have since fell in love with the Amarr. I'm curious as to how they will meld together.

can we play with the character customization and if we are not happy with it, cancel it so we keep our original look?
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2012-05-04 15:43:02 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Sorry I disagree, it just looks wrong because of the lips, they aren't changing color with the rest of the skin.
The black lips are just a defect that I think has been fixed now.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

Commissar Kate
NulzSec
#20 - 2012-05-04 16:01:30 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Only thing I'm not going to be keen about is less subtle variation in the existing skin tones.


More variety is fine. But less subtlety isn't.

Straight



I'd have to agree with this aswell.
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