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Research Point Removal?

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Jacynth VeRouche
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-16 15:09:38 UTC
I just ground out Core Complexion standings like crazy hoping to get a jump clone. It turns out I didn't do my homework though and none of their stations have cloning services. I am determined to make lemons into lemonade though so I'm thinking about delving into R&D agents, but I had a quick question.

I really don't want to invest training time into something that might not be around much longer. I thought that I heard somewhere that they were thinking of removing research points from the game, though I have been looking for that article again and I can't find it for the life of me. I then found an article where they talked about how they were closing the get-research-points-while-unsubscribed loophole, and thought that might be it, but I am pretty sure that I saw previously that they were thinking about removing research points from the game period.

So, am I crazy? Did I totally make this up? Are they considering removing research points from the game or not, and if so is there any indication what they'll replace them with so that the science skills are still useful?
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#2 - 2012-03-16 15:37:41 UTC
I have never heard that they are removing RPs from the game, but I don't really follow the dev blogs, either. OTOH, I think there would have been a holy ruckus raised if they were removing them, and I am sure that there is currently no alternative method to get datacores and do invention jobs.
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#3 - 2012-03-16 15:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tekota
I do vaguely recall seeing something along the lines of "I've never been particularly happy about the RP system" but that was very much as far as it went, ie. a dev's personal opinion that it wasn't an ideal system. I've never seen anything more concrete or indicative of more substantial plans on the horizon or even any further thinking on the subject.

The hard part is grinding the standings, the skills (at least to 4) are likely a much quicker affair, and whilst the rewards are limited there is nothing in Eve that could be described as a more passive isk generator. I'd say go for it and get working on the lemonade distilliery.

edit: linky - http://www.evenews24.com/2011/07/31/ccp-soundwave-why-balancing-is-bad-and-monkeys-are-good/ - some might say it's wise to be a tad wary of evenews24 veracity but I could have sworn I saw that interview on the Eve site at some point too.

Anyway, key quote would be "Yeah, there are several issues we’ve run into – Research Points is one of them; I want to rip that whole system out and fix it." - now that was written 8 months ago and you can see the progress we've seen in RP generation in the meantime (ie. none, so for now I'd consider it as safe as it's going to be to get that RP generation going).
Hockston Axe
#4 - 2012-03-19 02:00:39 UTC
Tekota wrote:
I do vaguely recall seeing something along the lines of "I've never been particularly happy about the RP system" but that was very much as far as it went, ie. a dev's personal opinion that it wasn't an ideal system. I've never seen anything more concrete or indicative of more substantial plans on the horizon or even any further thinking on the subject.

The hard part is grinding the standings, the skills (at least to 4) are likely a much quicker affair, and whilst the rewards are limited there is nothing in Eve that could be described as a more passive isk generator. I'd say go for it and get working on the lemonade distilliery.

edit: linky - http://www.evenews24.com/2011/07/31/ccp-soundwave-why-balancing-is-bad-and-monkeys-are-good/ - some might say it's wise to be a tad wary of evenews24 veracity but I could have sworn I saw that interview on the Eve site at some point too.

Anyway, key quote would be "Yeah, there are several issues we’ve run into – Research Points is one of them; I want to rip that whole system out and fix it." - now that was written 8 months ago and you can see the progress we've seen in RP generation in the meantime (ie. none, so for now I'd consider it as safe as it's going to be to get that RP generation going).



He might be thinking about that, because when that interview hit someone went all Chicken Little on the forums and put stuff in the Wiki invention page saying they were going to be removed. Though the only thing that was removed was the false info they put in the Wiki.
Alacta Lithia
Carniffles Corp
#5 - 2012-03-20 19:55:00 UTC
Cant help in regards to the RP, but if you looking for an easy way to get jump clones, you can use the free services of EACS.

EACS

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Brock Nelson
#6 - 2012-03-21 01:02:44 UTC
Wouldn't hurt to start earning RP. It took me less than a day to access level 3 agents and I'm leaving it at that.

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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#7 - 2012-03-23 14:48:32 UTC
Hmm, suggestions from the stream that this may actually occur afterall. Still, the same skills used to research are then used in invention, so not like wasted skill points (research project management possibly refunded?)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85163
Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#8 - 2012-03-23 15:18:00 UTC
This would make me very unhappy. There's is no logical reason to restrict them to FW. Just because some small percentage of players want FW to be meaningful doesn't mean it should lead to significant control over T2 production. Datacores aren't just a revenue stream, they're the core (pardon the pun) of T2 invention. As an independent producer, I'm already at the mercy of the sov alliance T2 materials market, now I'm going to be at the mercy of the FW datacores market?
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-23 15:33:01 UTC
Dev blog or it's not true. Period.
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#10 - 2012-03-23 15:40:24 UTC
Borun Tal wrote:
Dev blog or it's not true. Period.


Dev post?

Tekota wrote:
Hmm, suggestions from the stream that this may actually occur afterall. Still, the same skills used to research are then used in invention, so not like wasted skill points (research project management possibly refunded?)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85163
Kyr Evotorin
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-03-23 16:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyr Evotorin
People always fail to fully read anything on the internet...

"We then discussed a [pretend this is bolded]general decrease[/pretend this is bolded] to passive Datacore gains, as we want to add Datacore offers in the FW LP stores."

(Yea, I derp on bad computers that can't read half of the information on current web browsers)

A general decrease. the market won't be controlled by FW, like one person posted. you will still get passive income, as another person complained.

All in all, it will still be a good thing to have on your alts :) and people, PLEASE.... learn to read. 'We' didn't allow you the right to read just so you can abuse it and be stupid.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#12 - 2012-03-24 04:17:43 UTC
My main objection would be "why should those be in the FW LP store?". Why shouldn't it be the *existing* NPC research corps who choose to start offering datacores in their LP stores? (Which would make a whole lot more sense.)

(And I have 20 L4 R&D agents across 4 chars, so I do have a horse in this race. I still have no issues with them adding the ability to purchase datacores with LP.)
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-03-24 21:20:59 UTC
FFS Why do they have to involve the ******** factional warfare to such a crucial industry in the game's economy and **** off producers on top.

******* hate when they try to make ******** **** like ******* FW better by ******* up the crap out of the **** of other things like datacores and invention.
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#14 - 2012-03-24 22:08:41 UTC
Only logical explanation is they want to shoe horn people into doing more FW, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with datacores.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#15 - 2012-03-25 03:06:42 UTC
Kyr Evotorin wrote:
A general decrease. the market won't be controlled by FW, like one person posted. you will still get passive income, as another person complained.


The only thing that will prevent data cores from becoming worthless will be the presence of other items in the FW LP store which are slightly more interesting. LP can be collected without practical limit, while RP are accumulated at a capped rate per day. The floor price of data cores will become whatever the direct ISK value of the LP data cores is set to.
Conyr Eliot
Culann's Forge
#16 - 2012-03-25 03:09:21 UTC
Kneebone wrote:
Only logical explanation is they want to shoe horn people into doing more FW, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with datacores.


Bingo, talked about in this interview http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve-online/interviews/inferno-part-one
Brock Nelson
#17 - 2012-03-25 04:05:03 UTC
Well, this will likely increase profitability of T2 BPO

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Isonda
suspended animations DOT
#18 - 2012-03-25 17:12:26 UTC
I think this is a nice way to get people into FW.
I do hope the RP cost is doubled, or trippled, from R&D agents. And then maybe some of the major corps will move to LowSec
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#19 - 2012-03-25 22:09:08 UTC
Isonda wrote:
I think this is a nice way to get people into FW.
I do hope the RP cost is doubled, or trippled, from R&D agents. And then maybe some of the major corps will move to LowSec


LOL!

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Vince Snetterton
#20 - 2012-03-26 05:27:05 UTC
Conyr Eliot wrote:
Kneebone wrote:
Only logical explanation is they want to shoe horn people into doing more FW, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with datacores.


Bingo, talked about in this interview http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve-online/interviews/inferno-part-one


Well, starting at around 7:30 to about 10:00 Soundwave just said that datacore farmers will be wiped out.
When asked whether people should cash out their RP, he said "absolutely".

He said we are ABUSING the datacore mechanic.

I NEED that passive income.
I will likely be quitting the game when Inferno arrives.
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