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POS -MOON MINING
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Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-23 04:41:58 UTC
Im relatively new but have decided to get a control tower and setup a moon mining operation. Is POS/moon mining relatively safe or will i be constantly trying to defend the thing? A few of my new corp members said people will cap the shields and bring in big guns to take the POS down.

Looking for any feedback to see if this is a worthwile expenditure or am i in for a tough time?

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-03-23 04:46:45 UTC
There are two ways to protect a POS. Either have a ton of friends to help you defend it (lots of friends in cap ships) or pray desperately day and night that no one notices your POS and decides to destroy it out of boredom.

Unless you already know a good deal about POSes and their use and are confident in your abilities to make it pay off, it's just an expensive lossmail waiting to happen (besides all the logistical hassle of running it).
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-23 04:47:08 UTC
Not safe at all. If you can't defend it someone will attack it. And you'll most likely lose it. A POS is a great big red target that just screams HEY some destroy me! So if you don't have the man power to defend it, or are not interested in attempting to defend it than don't waste the isk.
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-23 12:31:10 UTC
what about static defenses, with webs and scrams? im not trying to withstand a planned assault by a dred, i understand that if someone wants to take it down and brings enough firepower they will. Im looking to just make the thing not worth the trouble for your basic gank sqaud or opportunist out there to destroy things. That combined with putting it in an out of the way system.

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-23 13:01:50 UTC
Maximus Hashur wrote:
what about static defenses, with webs and scrams? im not trying to withstand a planned assault by a dred, i understand that if someone wants to take it down and brings enough firepower they will. Im looking to just make the thing not worth the trouble for your basic gank sqaud or opportunist out there to destroy things. That combined with putting it in an out of the way system.



POS defenses + POS gunners may discourage a gang that came by because they were bored. But it won't stop anyone determined to burn it down.
RaTTuS
BIG
#6 - 2012-03-23 14:09:41 UTC
you cannot do moon mining in hi sec

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Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-03-23 16:05:17 UTC
moon mining .3 or below

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#8 - 2012-03-23 18:09:48 UTC
Low ends barely profit you enough to cover the fuel costs and high ends (tech, neo, dyspro et c.) give you so much isk that every single of them is already taken or being taken as we speak.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#9 - 2012-03-23 18:41:06 UTC
As mentioned all the moons you are likely to be able to keep are low end moons. Although once in a while even a blind squirrel finds a nut, I had a low sec technetium moon for almost a year while the big guys were busy beating each other up trying to decide who should get around to taking it from me! I even held it with a small POS! :-)

So look for a small moon with a combination that you can at least react to something in demand in the market place or look at one that is still not that sought after (like scandium) and then buy and add the other half of the reaction to end up with something more valuable.

Lots of time with spreadsheets is a must before you do anything. Also there are sources of the scans of all the low sec moons if you google for them so save some time and avoid moon probes.

Good luck!

Issler
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-23 19:01:49 UTC
In that case, are there any other suggestions on other profitable POS activities? Im not as fixed on moon mining as i am on having my own independent operation. Drugs, ship manufacturing? Whatever. At this point i have spent my time training, Mining, running some missions with the corp, and have started to suicide gank with an alt noob just for fun (retrievers pop like you wouldnt believe).

In the long run i want to put in place an infrastructure that makes money long term and sustains it.

Any help for a less than 6 month noob would be appreciated

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Suni Khan
#11 - 2012-03-23 19:05:44 UTC
Invention with a high sec POS is done a lot. drugs can only be made on a POS but I have never looked at it myself. I was told that the investment to set it all up is high.

Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-23 19:55:19 UTC
Yea im budgeting 500-700M to get it all set up. My worry though is that im going to go out there and not be able to turn a profit so im researching my ass off now.

I just realized that people are going to be tight lipped about any of the successes they have because they dont want a noob like me copying them and causing competition.

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Marcus McTavish
Volcel Police
#13 - 2012-03-24 16:01:24 UTC
Unless you put up a tower in well-traveled lowsec, with known hostiles around, you should be okay. So long as you stick with a small operation.
Dont go putting up 10 large towers with no defenses. Typically to just mine, you can use a small tower, they are cheap and more annoying to attack. Amarr lowsec is a good place to moon mine, most of the systems are abandoned. The only way a large tower will pay for itself moon mining is if you have a damn good moon, and are running a chained simple to Complex with moon goo from another tower too. And if thats the case, you probably will be attacked by a 0.0 alliance because they want the moon.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#14 - 2012-03-24 18:21:48 UTC
Drugs require you to have a specific gas cloud which exist only on a few selected regions in EVE
Your best bet would be putting your tower in NRDS territory (mainly CVA) so you get benefit from intel channels (the citadel) as you move around low sec or providence
Most cost effective way to run a POS would be in low enough sec status (0.3 and under) to harvest stuff from the planets to make POS fuel while you manufacture and research stuff but then it's going to be a full day job to keep you PI running and feeding your POS.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#15 - 2012-03-24 18:25:19 UTC
Maximus Hashur wrote:
Yea im budgeting 500-700M to get it all set up. My worry though is that im going to go out there and not be able to turn a profit so im researching my ass off now.

I just realized that people are going to be tight lipped about any of the successes they have because they dont want a noob like me copying them and causing competition.


Also our rivals are reading these same forums as well, so blabbering about your business ventures to everyone is just begging for trouble. Blink
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-03-25 05:46:29 UTC
Good call on that. Im still getting used to the idea that im up against other real players, not an AI.

Most challenging game ive ever seen. The rabbit hole is deep on this one.

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#17 - 2012-03-25 17:33:51 UTC
Maximus Hashur wrote:
Good call on that. Im still getting used to the idea that im up against other real players, not an AI.

Most challenging game ive ever seen. The rabbit hole is deep on this one.


And in the end the challenge doesn't come from the mechanics at all once you get the hang of it, which is why I have played this game since 2007. Cool
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#18 - 2012-03-25 22:05:56 UTC
I managed to hold a rather nice moon for about 6 months before someone finally came along and took it from me. Of course the week they attacked me was the week I was traveling... Didn't even have a chance to pick up the bat phone.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-26 02:57:41 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
I managed to hold a rather nice moon for about 6 months before someone finally came along and took it from me. Of course the week they attacked me was the week I was traveling... Didn't even have a chance to pick up the bat phone.



Were you solo?

Was it a null sec system?

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#20 - 2012-03-26 09:05:26 UTC
You might also end up like my old alliance with a neo moon, we traded it back and forth with Raiden's alt corp until they dropped 3 titans and 2 moms + what not (from raiden) on it ...
In the end it was a 3rd alliance that got the tower so we both ended up with nothing.
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