EVE General Discussion

Well, its clear to me that POS' were never designed to be lived from. Hense why CCP never bothered to put in place clear options to allow the seperation and protection of individual player assets. But with the expansion into wormhole space, it has become a fact that players now do live in POS', and have done so for sometime. So does anyone know a tried and tested way of ensuring individual players things from the hands of eve's many players, that would simply steal as many things as they can get their grubby hands on

From my extensive research, we simply decided to side-step the issue with the creation of a second POS. With our primary assets protected, newer players wouldn't be able to access them. Though this does not solve the issue in anyway, and the problem is still there for newer players

We then thought to buy a bunch of secure containers, but oh wait, they dont work in the corp hanger like stations. Not at all. They need to be used in space, rendering them completely useless. Why wouldn't they be allowed to work in the corp hanger is a mystery! Anchoring them just outside the shield, in range of the POS guns is a soution, but with the maximum of 3900m3 per container, you're screwed if your dealing with large amounts, which we are doing pretty much on a daily basis.

So we're left with the only way (that i can discover) which is to assign every player a specific tab. Great, assuming we only ever planned to have 7 players, which we already have more, and even then, renaming them renames all your tabs for all your structures! So that doesn't work either

And don't even get me started on the ship maintenance array. Probably the most important structure for people that have made a home in wh-space, and it doesn't even have tabs. Just a big container floating in space, that everyone needs to use to store their ships (Sometimes the most expensive possession that players have), which has absolutely no security whatsoever

So... is there any wh-corp expert that has found a solution to these glaring security issues for living from a POS? Should i expect CCP to look into this, and improve it in the future? Should i be making threads arguing for individual corp-hanger tab creations, or better yet, just making secure containers work from within a corp hanger? Or should i put this along the same lines as a fix to the bounty hunter system, and accept that they will ignore it for years?

Here is an example of exactly what im trying to avoid: Stealer Scum

We've yet to have any of our stuff taken, but we sure know there are alot of scum out there willing to try!

POS is broken. There was mention of the whole system being reworked during fanfest but it didn't sound like it was happening real soon.

They mentioned during fanfest that pos's are going to get a complete overhaul but I expect it will be sometime in 2013 before we see any real news about this (fingers crossed)

This is one of the key things that ruins a good chunk of the game outside hisec.

It greatly screws over small corps and alliances. Leads to a large lack of trust of newer players (Full API NAO!) and greatly increases the barrier of entry into things that could be great.

Why it is on the board instead of on Sisi already is a complete mystery to me.

Well a simple solution for the short term, at least for small wormhole corps, would be to make it possible to use secure cans from inside the corp hanger much like you can for inside a station. The corp security options currently allow you to prevent the removal of cans without permission, so it would be simple to make them able to be passworded, and individuals stuff to be kept seperate and securely from eachothers.

I'm enclined to agree with Ordais, CCP takes forever to actually do anything beyond the talking stage. Bounty hunter fix anyone? So i'm not holding my breath. But perhaps i should start mailing two-step in regards to this, see if the CSM7 can do something for a quick short-term fix.

Until then, i guess i'll have to be paranoid about everyone that wants to join my corp.

You seem to be forgetting or at least not accepting that theft is as much a part of this game as shooting sleepers is.
Removing all options to steal ships and items from shared hanger tabs/ship maintenance arrays damages the thieving game play.

There are other (maybe even better) solutions than to ask CCP to remove a game profession.

Can't say i agree with you in any way. Stealing is a viable profession for scum, if thats what your into, and should be able to be done if thats your thing, but only by slowly gaining the trust of the corp/alliance you have targeted. By making it immediately possible upon entering a corp is self-defeating, and pretty poor considering that the whole game is based upon corporations and alliances. Eve always has the risk-to-reward ratio, which is probably why so many people go for the risk-free stealing approach. For the quite franky massive rewards you get from being the sort of player willing to steal other peoples achievements, there should be a big-layer of security involved to bypass first.

Maybe i should setup a corp hanger per 7 players?

Haha proving you didnt read my origional post! Feel free to go read it, like you should have, before giving your opinion. Good way to make yourself look like an idiot.

LMAO!

So you want more security, but unwilling to use whats currently offered.

Trust issues?

Grats! Working as intended.

Or you could try setting up multiple POS. Everyone wants to protect themselves, might as well form an alliance with everyone in their own corp, everyone sets up own POS, sets password, and you are golden.

The entire corp security and POS management grew beyond what CCP thought it would be. It is limited by 16 bits, so they have told us. (No one will ever need more than 640KB of memory, right?)

Hopefully one day they overhaul the entire corp security scheme, but it is a big job so understandably a slow one. As much as I'd like to see it fixed yesterday and made into a security schema that more resembles a file system with groups, inheritance and explicit ACLs, I think this is one of those issues we're going to have to be patient about.