EVE General Discussion

Interesting replies so far. Seems as though CCP have not had their eye on the ball to be honest. What made it more evident to me that something is seriously amiss in nullsec is the char I took out there is currently residing in an NPC Corp!!

Now call me old skool, but normally you'd have about a 1% chance to make it through low sec (I wasn't in a small ship either), let alone deep into 0.0 being in an npc corp!

And I also have the benefit of "No Blues" so anyone & everyone was a viable target.

Here's the tickler.. I logged off last night deep in 0.0. Logged back in earlier thinking "hey, the run back to safe(ish) space should be fun."
Again, I passed a few people. Busiest system had 14 in and all docked up (yep, I even went to the station & did the dock/undock). Well, I did go out there to get a bit of action

And so my many jumps back were non-eventful to say the least Majority of systems were empty (oh the map still lies!) or with the odd person who were either cloaked up or hugging a POS!

The most fun on the trip back? Going through low-sec where I passed a few shuttles & trying to put the heebie jeebies into them

Null's profitability for the solo player has always been rather marginal. Most Null dwellers have an alt or two to help support the null sec character. In comes incarna - perhaps the alt kool-aide is being exposed.

Of course this crappy situation is created by core game play inadequacies in the first place. With the recent dev blog, perhaps finally CCP will consider that space should be space, and not fishbowl rooms connected to other fishbowl rooms with doors.

where were you ?
at which time ?

there were lots of action yesterday on nullsec, so maybe you were here while everyone was fighting somewhere else...

the west of the universe were fighting in delve, the middle of the universe helping chribba in providence, and the east... well there is always lots of empty system on russians space...

That is more or less the core of the problem, Some alliances have the firepower to remove nearly anyone from their space, yet they have little use for the space they claim, aside from the high end moons of course, they just make sure no one else can use it.

One example are incursions. These are a highly profitable PVE activity but the alliances that control that area of space very rarely bother to deal with them. These constellations often do not even have renters anymore who love the extra income.

It's just far too easy for the large alliances to bully everyone else.

Most nullsec space is empty, but it's still owned by someone who's obviously not using their space. Anyone trying to put that space to better use will quickly get a supercap fleet up their ass, so the only option left is to join with one of the huge powerblocks and make them even more powerful.

So essentially the large powerblocks needs to be severely nerfed, the small alliances and corps must have it much easier to get a foothold.

How to accomplish this however, I have no idea.

Hmmm. You say null sec is empty but then go on to recommend CCP make it even less hospitable .

The reason you get ridiculed is because those are ridiculous ideas. As bad as CCP has been lately at least they haven't come up with anything as bad as a "nova bomb".

I wonder why a Goon would object? U threatened maybe?

What do you expect? 0.0 space is the province of those with high skill point totals. But by the time someone gets to 80 or a hundred million SP's, what the heck is new to them?

How about all those Alliances take a bunch of new corps/characters under their wing and play guardian/defender while those players skill up in null or low sec? Why not drop the limitation of capitals in (most) high sec? Keep concord busy, introduce significant churn in ships and equipment from massive destruction via high-sec invasions.

**Incoming wall of text. It's more fun to post on the forums than sit in space and wait for my SP to increment while I do a few things terribly because I dont have access to the ships/equipment to do the fun stuff well.**

Yes, CCP seems to have a Plan that is heavy on the shiny. That's to be expected. They get to do interviews, make new video's, enter Best New Whatever contests, and generally show the Industry that they are anything but stagnant.

Industry. Notice that word? CCP is playing to the Industry, not us. They are developing for their ego, not us. It's about as far from sexy as you can get to tell a journalist that they just spent 6 months fixing known bugs and balancing. No gaming magazine cares if you just swept up the trash and rearranged the furniture. They want Sensational News! Shinies! And CCP is catering to them.

I join up every years or so for a month, poke around, get discouraged, and quit again. Every time I sub, I see: The learning curve is too steep, the career paths take waaaaaay too long to get into. The economy is whacked. It takes several months to get into and effectively use more than 1 ship/role. It takes at least 2 months to get into ONE ship/role and do it effectively. The corporation structure is too confusing/too many of them. Mining is boring unless you have 10+ million SP and are in a big corp. Ratting is boring. Missioning is boring. Industry is impossible unless you have 20+ million SP and are online for 18 hours a day, and are part of a large corp. Exploration is impossible unless you have 15+ million SP and are in a fleet/in a covops. Scams are encouraged by CCP leading many to ragequit (contracts especially!). Moving yourself and all you stuff (including ships) around the galaxy is impossible unless you have 20+ million SP and are in a big corp, unless you just sell everything and start over. Research/Invention is too complicated with too many barriers to entry like (realistically) requiring low-sec habitation.

And on and on. These are the things CCP should be looking at. Not WiS, as cool as I think that will be. If they have to do something new, how about they double the number of systems we have, push Faction systems apart and put low-sec between them. Null sec outside the rest. Eliminate the Market and let player/NPC corp's do ALL the selling. Get rid of half of the NPC stations in high sec. WTH are they even there for?! Do not create NPC star gates to all of the outlying regions, let powerful corporations research and construct them. And defend them! Let players warp anywhere they want, not just to a certain destination.

I am confident that there are hundreds of very cool player suggestions to be found on these and the old forums. Game forums have always been, in every MMO I've played, the destination for whiners, evangelists, deep thinkers, fanbois, egotists, manipulators, the bored, and the driven. The trick is to identify who is who, and ignore the bad's. Sadly, to game developers, game forums are a way to tell us what they are doing, pretend to listen, give out titles to employee's, identify who gets to go brag about the game to Industry members, post blogs, video's and screenies of the new shiny things for search engines to list and rank, and every once in a while... throw us a bone.

Make no mistake, WiS is only happening because CCP believes it will bring in a batch of new subscribers. They aren't doing it because lots of players over the years have been asking for it. If they cared about what players wanted, they would have given us the ability to have a larger UI font years ago. I mean, how complicated could that be?

So, time to log in and put an 10 day skill at the end of my skill Q. I have a couple more weeks till this years attempt to play runs out. At this rate I should be able to get into the fun stuff by 2020.

Mate: You are so wrong on so many levels.

It sounds to me like you're bringing aloooooooooot of preconceived "generic MMO" assumptions into EVE with you, and this is what's holding you back.

I'll clue you in on the three--the only three, in real terms, in my studied and not-inexpert opinion--things that make EVE playable, and worth sticking with:

1) You need a sense of humour, blacker generally = better.
2) You need to play with other people, the earlier the better, in the main. Do your research first, before joining any corp., there are literally countless tools in- and out-of-game to help you do so.
3) Critically: LEAVE ANY/ALL PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS INFORMED BY OTHER MMOs AT THE DOOR WHEN YOU ENTER.


It sounds to me like EVE is not the game for you--which is fine, it's definitely not for everyone. But that's what makes--arguably, the only thing that makes, in broad terms--this atrociously broken, ****-poorly implemented, utter shite quality-controlled, dodgily-designed, and really-notall-that-good in strict terms game worth keeping on with.

(I do really like the idea of free-ranging warp-travel, though)

Read (3) again, and see the implied follow-on:

What's one major thing that keeps me in EVE-O? The fact that I still, after almost 3 years in, can learn new things almost all the time, and apply them for next time. But I have to remember those things, and I can always choose how to or not to apply them anytime--that's the beauty of a sandbox.

But I must also remember that, given the open-world, unforgiving PvP nature of said sandbox, that my doing so carries real risk, along with potential real rewards, and I must further think on how to mitigate, avoid those risks.

EVE requires that you think for, work for, and apply what you do yourself, and preferably do so with other people working as a team. No other MMO does this on such a deep, systemic level, that I can see.

EVE requires that you think. Always, at all times.

That's what makes it worth it.