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Navy Vexor Drone Bay

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Perihelion Olenard
#1 - 2012-03-25 00:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Eventually, after I get better skills of course, I'd like to do some PvP with a vexor navy issue. However, the drone bay is confusing me and I was wondering if someone would be able to help me understand why it's at an odd number at 100 m^3.

Why is the bandwidth at a strange number, and why is the drone capacity that same size? It would seem that at most I could field four ogres, but then it can't fit any more in the drone bay. I won't have a fleet of lights or mediums.

If I use 5 lights and 5 mediums in the drone bay there's 25 m^3 left for an extra few drones in case I lose a few. At most it would be using only half the available drone bandwidth, though. Is this 100 m^3 meant only for 4 ogres or is it better to use half that and lose some DPS on larger ships? There would be no light drones to destroy frigates, with, otherwise.
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#2 - 2012-03-25 02:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Belthazor4011
Its not at a 125 because that would make the Gila (Pirate) and Ishtar (T2) ships less valuable. But it needs more then 50 to beat a normal Vexor. So 75 and a 100 where to options they had and compairing those 2 I prefer getting a 100.

The ship is awesome and well worth it even without 5 Orge's the only thing you have to change is your mindset, there is no rule that says all 5 drones have to be the same size. Using 2 Orge's 2 Hammer and 1 Hobs requires only 75m3 which leaves 25 for an extra 5 hobs. So you always have a flight of smalls and you have more DPS against bigger ships.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#3 - 2012-03-25 02:40:24 UTC
Heavy drones aren't great at catching and hitting something unless tackled properly. That said, you could probably roll with 3 heavies and 2 mediums to get max DPS out of it. I'd probably carry a flight of Hammerheads, a flight of Warriors and a flight of ECM drones for PVP though. Depends on how you fly/fit.
Perihelion Olenard
#4 - 2012-03-25 03:26:47 UTC
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Its not at a 125 because that would make the Gila (Pirate) and Ishtar (T2) ships less valuable. But it needs more then 50 to beat a normal Vexor. So 75 and a 100 where to options they had and compairing those 2 I prefer getting a 100.

The ship is awesome and well worth it even without 5 Orge's the only thing you have to change is your mindset, there is no rule that says all 5 drones have to be the same size. Using 2 Orge's 2 Hammer and 1 Hobs requires only 75m3 which leaves 25 for an extra 5 hobs. So you always have a flight of smalls and you have more DPS against bigger ships.


That's a good idea, I hadn't considered that. This is my first time flying drone boats so thanks for the idea.
Perihelion Olenard
#5 - 2012-03-25 03:34:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Dibblerette wrote:
Heavy drones aren't great at catching and hitting something unless tackled properly. That said, you could probably roll with 3 heavies and 2 mediums to get max DPS out of it. I'd probably carry a flight of Hammerheads, a flight of Warriors and a flight of ECM drones for PVP though. Depends on how you fly/fit.


Another benefit of this navy ship is the additional turret helping the damage a bit while using 5 hammerheads. It's not like once I put the drones in it's permanent, either. I can also switch out the drones to be more ideal for what I'm expecting. I can store some in the cargo hold and switch them out quick at a station if I'm expecting a fight where I'll need more DPS utilizing the full bandwidth of the ship.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#6 - 2012-03-25 03:37:43 UTC
5 meds

1 web

1 ecm heavy

Then you can bust out 4 meds with a web or 3 with web and ecm and still have 3 doing dps.

Don't be scared to mix and match some fun tools.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2012-03-25 09:06:59 UTC
I'd consider the Myrm over a Navy Vexor for trying out drone pvp. Myrm is much more forgiving- in an expensive, slow ship with cruiser-sized buffer tank you need to have a pretty clear idea of what you are doing. The drone bay size also dictates that you can't use the max drone bandwidth for dps, if you want to have both a flight of Warriors and ECMs... and a flight of ECMs is your only way to gtfo, as you can't really outrun anything that you can expect to take down.

I tried an 800mm gankish fit, but that didn't work out too well, so something like this is what I'd probably try next

[Vexor Navy Issue, Vexminator 1600m less tank]

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Plating
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


1288m/s / 204m/s
45.3K EHP (55.2K EHP against explosive, which is pretty nice)
510dps w/Null, 677dps w/Void+heat

With faction EANM and hardener you could swap the nano plating to another magstab, gaining 50dps and losing 5K EHP. Probably needs some fitting hardwires, but I've been wearing a PG4 and KZA1000 since I tried to fit my first Gallente ships for PVP. Just plug them in and enjoy easy living Cool


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ceyriot
Empyrean Academy
Empyrean Edict
#8 - 2012-03-25 10:56:56 UTC
I flew a Navy Vexor for a while. I needed to push out as much dps as possible (I was taking on lvl 4 tanking battleships solo) so I had 4 ogres.

The other options are two sets of meds (hammerheads and med ecm - I didn't like this setup, seemed too limited) or 2 sets of lights and one set of meds (warriors, light ecm, and hammerheads - the setup I had for fleets).

Its quite a nice ship, have some fun in them mate Cool

Not Flyinghotpocket's alt. At all.

Faction Warfare is like Fight Club. But with spaceships.

Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#9 - 2012-03-27 00:05:01 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:

That's a good idea, I hadn't considered that. This is my first time flying drone boats so thanks for the idea.


No problem, I really love mine. High DPS cause the guns add a fair bit as well and a great tank. It beats most Drakes easily. But like someone else suggested a Myrm is cheaper and has an even better tank so that be my first choice to go out into the drone world with.
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#10 - 2012-03-27 09:01:19 UTC
Bah Gila is a waay better choice better then a Ishtar IMHO 400m3 of drone bay 125bandwith and some kickass bonuses plus they sell around 140-150 mil a awesome ship all in all
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#11 - 2012-03-27 16:38:54 UTC
VNI is a wonderful ship to fly, but it is a b**** to fit up. For maximum flexibility I usually go with:
2x Ogre II
3x Hammerhead II
4x Hobgoblin II

2x Ogre II + 3x Hammerhead II is half a drone's dps less than 4x Ogre II, but you gain flexibility in drone usage.

But yes, the drone bay capacity should be increased. Every other drone boat has spare drones available for the bandwidth (the drone bay should be at least as large as a Myrm).

Here is my fit:

5x Light nuetron blasters (or replace one slot with a medium neut/nos), void s for cruisers and above.
1x 10MN MWD
1x scram
1x 10MN AB (or replace with web)

1600mm plate
3x eanm II
1x armor explosive hardener II
1x damage control II

3x trimark


The best way to fly it IMO is max tank with light nuetron blasters in the highs. It can get close to the same dps as a HEB VNI, but it can also sport a 64k EHP tank and has better tracking at knife fighting range. Great for close range fights when there is lots of e-war on the field (which is rare nowadays, but if it every comes back into style.... watch out!).

These numbers are pretty decent compared to a Myrm, and with the lower sig radius the VNI may do better in some cases. However, overall Myrm is better ship. And in every case the Ishtar and Gila are superior hulls.



Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#12 - 2012-03-28 07:17:59 UTC
Dyniss wrote:
Bah Gila is a waay better choice better then a Ishtar IMHO 400m3 of drone bay 125bandwith and some kickass bonuses plus they sell around 140-150 mil a awesome ship all in all


I like the Gila better as well but the thead is about the VNI Lol

In any case the fit above is not my style, going with the small guns and 4 hardeners. Just go with Mid guns and 2 hardeners, the DPS difference is very real and the tank difference not so much due to stacking penelties of 4 modules.