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Why Tech 3 should only be for cruiser-class ships
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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-24 18:15:31 UTC
Consider the four ships we have now. Tengu, Proteus, Loki and Legion. Each one, if fitted properly, is perfectly capable of soloing a small gang of battleships and battlecruisers (source: Garmon). They are also perfectly capable of raking in ISK tanking sanctums alone - their combination of small sig radius, relatively high speed and fubar tank makes them excellent damage sponges.

Now consider this: A tech 3 battleship. We currently have tech 3 cruisers capable of tanking more damage than a battleship can - my Proteus can even be active tanked to half the tank of my Thanatos. Traditionally, cruisers do about a third of the tank/dps of a battleship. Do you want to make it so we have ships capable of soloing capitals? While I admit the hilarity/tear value of that would be very high, it makes them completely unbeatable in things such as subcapital warfare.

Tech 3 frigates - would you put around a billion isk in a frigate hull?

As for battlecruisers, well, they already fill the role of Command Ships and stupid DPS dealers in the form of the new Tier 3 ships.

Dodixie > Hek
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#2 - 2012-03-24 18:19:36 UTC
I agree - T3 ships are imbalanced as they are - it will be a lot worse on the extreme ends of ship sizes.

You thought pre-nerf Dramiels were bad and killed frig pvp? Wait for T3 frigs.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-24 18:25:34 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
I agree - T3 ships are imbalanced as they are - it will be a lot worse on the extreme ends of ship sizes.

You thought pre-nerf Dramiels were bad and killed frig pvp? Wait for T3 frigs.


Precisely - that and I currently own four T3s and any change in the exclusivity in T3 ships would probably make their value plummet.

Dodixie > Hek
Romulus Activus
Amarrian Investment Group
#4 - 2012-03-24 18:27:35 UTC
T3 cruisers need to be nerfed so that they are roughly only 25% more effective then a tier 2 bc or do something like divide thier tank and dps bonuses in half. T3 frigs and bs can have a place in eve as long as they are balanced. With new modules coming out their should be room for ccp to change things up.
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#5 - 2012-03-24 18:30:08 UTC
If there are T3 varients of the main classes of ships, then it will be balanced enough. Only people still flying PVP fleets in antique T1/T2 ships will be disadvantaged, obviously.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-24 18:30:26 UTC
Romulus Activus wrote:
T3 cruisers need to be nerfed so that they are roughly only 25% more effective then a tier 2 bc or do something like divide thier tank and dps bonuses in half. T3 frigs and bs can have a place in eve as long as they are balanced. With new modules coming out their should be room for ccp to change things up.


Err, yeah, because they only cost 25% more than a tier 2 BC as well...

Dodixie > Hek
Romulus Activus
Amarrian Investment Group
#7 - 2012-03-24 18:42:11 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Romulus Activus wrote:
T3 cruisers need to be nerfed so that they are roughly only 25% more effective then a tier 2 bc or do something like divide thier tank and dps bonuses in half. T3 frigs and bs can have a place in eve as long as they are balanced. With new modules coming out their should be room for ccp to change things up.


Err, yeah, because they only cost 25% more than a tier 2 BC as well...


Well their is the or option and besides they cost roughly 10x more so 25% is not that big a bonus compared to what you have to pay and the skills required to fly the t3.
Rimase
#8 - 2012-03-24 18:43:40 UTC
TECH2 will be intended to truly Specialize above TECH3, which is Generalized. This is awesome.


Just sayin'. Sorry. <3

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-24 18:45:16 UTC
Romulus Activus wrote:
Well their is the or option and besides they cost roughly 10x more so 25% is not that big a bonus compared to what you have to pay and the skills required to fly the t3.


You can get in a T3 pretty quickly...

I don't understand. Are you saying you've now U-turned on your point that 25% is a bad idea or what?

Dodixie > Hek
Romulus Activus
Amarrian Investment Group
#10 - 2012-03-24 18:49:04 UTC
I would be comfortable with them at the most being 25% more effective then a tier 2 bc or having their bonuses halved to make them less elite.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-24 18:50:52 UTC
Romulus Activus wrote:
I would be comfortable with them at the most being 25% more effective then a tier 2 bc or having their bonuses halved to make them less elite.


Tell me where the tech 3 touched your ratting battleship on the dummy

Dodixie > Hek
Romulus Activus
Amarrian Investment Group
#12 - 2012-03-24 18:55:53 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Romulus Activus wrote:
I would be comfortable with them at the most being 25% more effective then a tier 2 bc or having their bonuses halved to make them less elite.


Tell me where the tech 3 touched your ratting battleship on the dummy


I use a t3 for ratting so i gues it touched my entire capsule Big smile
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-24 18:57:41 UTC
Romulus Activus wrote:

I use a t3 for ratting so i gues it touched my entire capsule Big smile


So why do you want to reduce damage? xD

Dodixie > Hek
Romulus Activus
Amarrian Investment Group
#14 - 2012-03-24 19:04:17 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Romulus Activus wrote:

I use a t3 for ratting so i gues it touched my entire capsule Big smile


So why do you want to reduce damage? xD


Because I do think they are op and they are not all being used evenly. Tengu comprises 60% of all t3 acording to CCP. This number should be much lower. Nerfing and rebalancing t3 would be a good way for ccp to fix t3 cruisers and enable them to make t3 frigs and bs if they want.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-03-24 19:06:02 UTC
Romulus Activus wrote:
. Tengu comprises 60% of all t3 acording to CCP.


That is because tengus are the perfect ships for ratting bots - you can get in one with a fubar tank and decent DPS pretty quickly. Every Tech 3 fits a perfect niche, and every Tech 3 is fine as is.

Dodixie > Hek
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-24 19:12:44 UTC
Romulus Activus wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
Romulus Activus wrote:

I use a t3 for ratting so i gues it touched my entire capsule Big smile


So why do you want to reduce damage? xD


Because I do think they are op and they are not all being used evenly. Tengu comprises 60% of all t3 acording to CCP. This number should be much lower. Nerfing and rebalancing t3 would be a good way for ccp to fix t3 cruisers and enable them to make t3 frigs and bs if they want.



Thats because missiles are the best PvE option of any race.


Most Tengu's sit in highsec blitzing level 4's, or nullsec farming havens.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Serene Repose
#17 - 2012-03-24 19:35:17 UTC
Battlecruisers as command ships is like using a mortar round for a doorstop. Command ships should be role specific like the Noctus. Battlecruisers should get a decent T2 treatment, and yes, all classes T3. Move that caliber of combat out where the supposed big dogs roam. What's absurd are Titans and Capitals. For what? I prefer to see you guys lay them out on a table with a yardstick. (Let's us know why we no love you long time GIs.)

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-03-24 20:14:18 UTC
t3 shouldn't be better then t2, it should just have more customization. the problem is t3 ships atm are awesome.
a t3 cruiser should be a jack of all trades and master of none.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-24 20:15:55 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
t3 shouldn't be better then t2, it should just have more customization. the problem is t3 ships atm are awesome.
a t3 cruiser should be a jack of all trades and master of none.


Herping yourDerp wrote:
t3 shouldn't be better then t2


and I suppose T2 shouldn't be better than T1?

Dodixie > Hek
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-03-24 20:19:10 UTC
I see t3 frigates as a "baby's first tengu." Super expensive, and not as good as the t2s in their respective areas.

Occasionally plays sober
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