EVE General Discussion

The basic problem with the idea is as it always was :

How to you encourage new FW players to make the move out of high-sec when there's a good chance they will lose access to their "stuff"?

For older players its manageable. For new players its not.

Perhaps a better idea would be to be able to gain revenue from the stations in captured systems (eg repair costs) which then get distributed between corps/individuals who have PvP kills in that system over the last day/week/whatever?

I agree with previous posts that this requires a carrot, not a stick.

This is why the change is stupid.

Picking one side of a fight and putting on extra restrictions is just going to make people quit that side.

duh

The biggest issue with this change is how quickly it is possible to turn a system. 7 Hours. You can go to bed, wake up, and not have access to your ships. That is intrinsically flawed.

I don't mind not having access to enemy stations. I don't have a problem with friendly stations in occupied systems "dying" on the vine. 3rd party stations belonging - to say Gallente Scope - in Amarr/Minmatar war zones should remain open. It is a war between proxies after all.

And what if said outpost owner could simply press a button, stop spending time and resources to defend it, and still have full access to all its facilities. Would they still say it was worth fighting over?

If you don't want to be able to lose your stuff, you leave your stuff in a safe place (A WHOLE 10 JUMPS AWAY in highsec).

If you are willing to lose access your stuff (temporarily) but get fights faster you can live closer by but in a "conquerable" station. Don't leave all your stuff in a warzone and expect to be able to have access to it.

It really isn't a difficult concept and people who live in nullsec, which is what faction warfare is training you for, have understood this forever.

your missing the point.

In the Real game Rule Change Proposed by CCP There Would be such a Button for FW Militia.

You leave Militia.

You have acess to station.

The OP is saying that is an incentive to leave Militia and not bothering to fight over station acess. You can have it without effort, unlike 0.0 .

Of course, even if you didnt want to leave militia permamently. You leave Militia for a day and get your stuff out, then rejoin.

Or you could leave militia, go pirate, and not have to do this.



Or you could leave militia, go pirate, and still live in the middle of the warzone with access to all your stuff.



Again, the problem is not that it "makes sense" or that it's manageable, the problem is that it creates an incentive to leave militia, which is the exact opposite of what CCP is trying to achieve.

Its also one of many reasons we don't play eve in sov null sec. I'm glad you like how it works in sov null sec. I really do. I hope ccp keeps sov null sec that way for people like you.

But personally I think what you describe sounds like ****, and so do allot of people who pvp in npc null sec and low sec.

And no faction war is not training us for sov null sec.

I was thinking of something similar. Don't change docking rights at all - scrap that idea for now.

However, if a system is occupied by minmatar there would be say a 1% chance per 30 straight days of minmatar occupancy (or whatever percents and timelines you want) that an amarr corp station would change hands over to a minmatar or gallente controled corp. So a Carthum conglomorate might basically sell their station to boundless. There might be a .5% chance that a caldari would flip to minmatar or Gallente as well.

There would be new boundless agents installed. Such a change would to some extent hurt players with high amarr standings because there would be fewer available agents for them. However if it got extreme then Amarr lp items would have less supply and therefore more value. Hence it would have some self balance to it.

It would give our war meaning in the wider Eve universe but it would be somewhat self balancing and not a reason for everyone to pile on the winning side.

Your talking about sov null sec. Npc null sec and low sec are often more attractive to small gang pvpers.

But I wonder if there is more overall ship versus ship pvp in npc null sec per person and per system, or if there is more in sov null sec.

I really don't know the answer. Perhaps ccp Diagoras could give the stats on this if he hasn't already.

Even if sov null sec has more, I would think npc null sec has more of the frequent small scale fights that fw should aim for.