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Datacore Price hike!!
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Ayn Randy
Home For Pugs
#1 - 2012-03-23 13:46:35 UTC
So from the faction warfare stage, basically R/D agents are gonna be nerfed. Double the research points and an isk fee to get them.

In exchange, datacores will be available from racial faction warfare LP stores!

Looks like alot of datacores have been bought up already!
Lt Angus
Goat Herders
#2 - 2012-03-23 14:11:46 UTC
wouldnt making them grindable lower the price
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#3 - 2012-03-23 14:13:53 UTC
Yea Straight

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Ayn Randy
Home For Pugs
#4 - 2012-03-23 14:16:11 UTC
Im not sure though, the way the CCP guy was going on about the faction LP's, buying datacores isnt going to be at the top of the list!
volhar
V Enterprises
#5 - 2012-03-23 14:19:38 UTC
Depends if there is an associated isk cost and also it'll cap the price around the other items in the store. If I can get more out of my LPs by buying a navy geddon, why would I buy datacores instead? Could go either way but I'm thinking up
Ayn Randy
Home For Pugs
#6 - 2012-03-23 14:29:50 UTC
It will be up, the dev said they wanted to make them more expensive.
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-23 15:10:16 UTC
fw pvp giving lp, complex's giving lp so more lp going to kill lp to isk . prices lower for winning side so u join the winners or hoard til u start winning.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-24 07:18:44 UTC
Katarina Reid wrote:
fw pvp giving lp


Seriously? I can meta-game the system with 2 accounts for nearly free LP?

Good by research alt, hello FW alt.
Adunh Slavy
#9 - 2012-03-24 10:23:44 UTC
Hopefully CCP doesn't do this. It's a silly move for not only RP-Lore reasons but for industrial reasons as well. I can understand their motivation for wishing to move it from a passive action to something more active however.

The best thing CCP could do IMO would be to cease the passive aspect and make it a more active pursuit with the current agents. Have the agent demand things from ISK to minerals to NPC passengers.

The old lottery system, as flawed as it was, at least had players do something for their RP.

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#10 - 2012-03-24 10:53:46 UTC
Well they haven't stated how the LP would work either. It could very well be that a CONCORD LP farmer could just join up and dump a crap ton of LP into the datacore LP area. If they kept CONCORD LP out of the FW rewards, we could see an interesting change.
Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
#11 - 2012-03-24 18:34:00 UTC

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#12 - 2012-03-24 21:33:13 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:

The best thing CCP could do IMO would be to cease the passive aspect and make it a more active pursuit with the current agents. Have the agent demand things from ISK to minerals to NPC passengers.


Eh, it's not a ISK faucet nor an ISK sink, the income isn't all that fabulous, and it takes about 1 month to break even just on the skill books needed to farm (5-6) agents (plus the training time). At best, you're making 15-16M per L4 agent, and a lot of the datacores are only 8-12M/mo per agent. I think it's one of those things that you should simply leave alone. It will gradually fade into irrelevance (you used to get 25-30M/month per agent).

Do add the ability to buy them with LP from the R&D corp's LP store. Which would reward those people who want to actually run missions for that particular corp.

The problem with "datacores for LP" is the brokenness of trading in CONCORD LP for any other LP in the game - without respect to faction/corp standings (you should get less "corp LP" if you don't have high standings with that particular corp).

But allowing datacores to be bought for LP will ensure that supply can be ramped up to meet demand. The current supply model is very slow to react to the market changes.
Adunh Slavy
#13 - 2012-03-24 21:56:53 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:

But allowing datacores to be bought for LP will ensure that supply can be ramped up to meet demand. The current supply model is very slow to react to the market changes.


My point is make it something active, that consumes time and resources. Passive flows don't take much in the way of time as input cost. Any activity that consumes time, but does not generate ISK, is going to be good for the macro economy at this stage.

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Dinger
Task Force Delta-14
#14 - 2012-03-24 22:32:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Dinger
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Well they haven't stated how the LP would work either. It could very well be that a CONCORD LP farmer could just join up and dump a crap ton of LP into the datacore LP area. If they kept CONCORD LP out of the FW rewards, we could see an interesting change.


As far as I'm aware CONCORD LP is already not tradable for either FW or pirate corps' LP, so that shouldn't be an issue, it does however mean that the mechanic exists and there's no reason such logic couldn't be applied to the R&D corps as well.
Agrikaan
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#15 - 2012-03-24 23:20:10 UTC
Just make sure that any "required action" to get Datacores is tied to NPC industrial corps. Otherwise, one less reason to do missions (standings) for them. And that "-1" might lead to a "0" for many. Besides, doing missions for them to get the required standing for level 4 research agents can hardly be considered "doing nothing".
Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-04-06 19:24:29 UTC
Yup, I've been grinding for some time now gaining access to lvl4 agents for all my toons, and I am almost there. It's definately not been passive. Have cashed all my RP into datacores to beat the pricehike.
I'll continue as I am almost there, but I suspect my original plan (several years agoWhat?) to have research agents as a regular source of income seems to be slowly getting nerfed. first with the lowering of the standing requirements, and now with the upcoming FW update.
I suppose I'll need to pursue other avenues of generating income then.
Adapt and survive and all thatCool
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-06 19:39:33 UTC
Ayn Randy wrote:
So from the faction warfare stage, basically R/D agents are gonna be nerfed. Double the research points and an isk fee to get them.

In exchange, datacores will be available from racial faction warfare LP stores!

Looks like alot of datacores have been bought up already!


Link? Also I wouldn't be surprised to see spike, crash, spike. People are going to cash out their RPs while the gettings good.

Personally, I think everything about that idea but the added isk sink is stupid, but when did stupid ever stop CCP.
Boomhaur
#18 - 2012-04-08 00:18:48 UTC
Woo Mi wrote:
Yup, I've been grinding for some time now gaining access to lvl4 agents for all my toons, and I am almost there. It's definately not been passive. Have cashed all my RP into datacores to beat the pricehike.
I'll continue as I am almost there, but I suspect my original plan (several years agoWhat?) to have research agents as a regular source of income seems to be slowly getting nerfed. first with the lowering of the standing requirements, and now with the upcoming FW update.
I suppose I'll need to pursue other avenues of generating income then.
Adapt and survive and all thatCool


At times I think I am about the only person who had an easy time getting up to lv4 research agents. Took me no more than a few hours. The most annoying part has always been getting the datacores since it's probably an easy 100jumps or more, but I've done that once so far, so can't complain too much.

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Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
#19 - 2012-04-08 02:07:57 UTC
Boomhaur
#20 - 2012-04-08 02:57:59 UTC
Minmat Sebtin wrote:
Do we know when the datacore changes are going to be implemented?


Last I checked it was just speculation and wasn't set in stone.

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