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Banning system for botters Changes
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Horny Emma
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-22 17:13:08 UTC
WHY do botters only get a short ban of a week or two when they get caught botting....

This is basicly saying to people yea go bot but stop when ya get caught.

People caught botting shouldnt be allowed to keep there characters simple
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2 - 2012-03-22 17:19:56 UTC
Because the stats show that people don't offend again.

I think I read in one of the dev blogs, that roughly 90% dont re-offend. And then for those who do re-offend and are caught only like 1% of those re-offend and are then banned permanently.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Horny Emma
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-03-22 17:50:25 UTC
So ccp are saying that its ok to use a bot till you get caught
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-22 18:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Horny Emma wrote:
So ccp are saying that its ok to use a bot till you get caught


you may want to think about things before you voice them.

Thats like saying your going to get CONCORDed before you suicide gank. (where your going with your faulty logic)

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Horny Emma
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-03-22 18:23:06 UTC
What im saying is if you only get a short ban for using a bot wheres the real risk...

There should be no second chance if you are caught using a bot even once.

Every man and his dog seams to have a bot for making isk meaning inflation on prices of almost every thing in game because of all the extra isk created from bountys.

If you get caught using a bot you should lose the account and all linked accounts if theres more risk of using a bot less people will use one at the moment the only risk when you get caught is a short ban.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-22 18:52:50 UTC
Horny Emma wrote:
What im saying is if you only get a short ban for using a bot wheres the real risk...

There should be no second chance if you are caught using a bot even once.

Every man and his dog seams to have a bot for making isk meaning inflation on prices of almost every thing in game because of all the extra isk created from bountys.

If you get caught using a bot you should lose the account and all linked accounts if theres more risk of using a bot less people will use one at the moment the only risk when you get caught is a short ban.


Ok so what your saying is everyone here bots....and because you think that.....all should be banned on first offense.


Who died and made you judge again?

Maybe you should take the time to think before you voice your opinions.....just because you think they are a bot doesn't mean they are....you can come up with any number of concepts/proofs/ideas but when it comes right down to it...CCP will be the one to make that choice.

Now you can #### about it...or go shoot them.

And if you actually read the statements given....it is not a slap on the wrist you think it is. Try reading the whole message eh?

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Jalmari Huitsikko
Avanto
Hole Control
#7 - 2012-03-24 08:01:25 UTC
knowing that 100% innocent people get banned all the time making permanent bans would be kind of risky don't you agree.

let's be happy that if you get banned for no reason at all you are not permabanned.
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#8 - 2012-03-24 15:10:19 UTC
i never got banned when i was mining solid for my first month of the game, and i cant tell you how many hours of youtube i watched while watching my ship on the other half of the screen eat scordite over and over.

Whats the general detection time on the mining bots? hours? days? weeks? Sure if it was hours up to a couple days give them warnings/temp bans, but if its weeks. Do you really want to allow a bot to farm for months befores its finally taken from the game? If the detection time is long then there needs to be something in place to heavily discourage bots, but also a solid and effective appeals system so any legit player accidentally slugged has a fair chance to get thier account back within a day or 2 - tops!
Horny Emma
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-04-03 18:14:43 UTC
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-04-03 18:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Horny Emma wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28581

Looks like ccp listens


I don't know about you but I knew about this for several months.... why not you?

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-05 15:51:14 UTC
This is stupid. Everyone who runs a red light should go to prison for life. None of this first offense slap on the wrist stuff.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-04-06 01:45:07 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
This is stupid. Everyone who runs a red light should go to prison for life. None of this first offense slap on the wrist stuff.


running a bot is the MMO equivalent of murder... so yea ban should be permanent.
glad CCP is stepping up... i have never seen a game so soft on cheaters then Eve.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-06 11:12:40 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
running a bot is the MMO equivalent of murder... so yea ban should be permanent.
glad CCP is stepping up... i have never seen a game so soft on cheaters then Eve.
lol wut? Says who? You? Hooooo that's funny.

No but seriously, CCPs statistics show that over 90% of players who botted and received a temp ban don't bot again. Add to the fact that much if not all of their ill-gotten gains have been seized. CCP wants to keep players and stop botting. Looks like they found a good solution.

We'll see how effective this temp ban really is the next time we see statistics on how many players are botting. If it drops significantly, then CCPs method of bot discouragement / player retention is proven effective.

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Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#14 - 2012-04-06 11:32:30 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Horny Emma wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28581

Looks like ccp listens


I don't know about you but I knew about this for several months.... why not you?



reported by CCP Sreegs | 2012.04.03 19:50:49 | Comments

months and months and months....you see this ******* has a time machine
Prince Kobol
#15 - 2012-04-06 11:56:46 UTC
Horny Emma wrote:
WHY do botters only get a short ban of a week or two when they get caught botting....

This is basicly saying to people yea go bot but stop when ya get caught.

People caught botting shouldnt be allowed to keep there characters simple


Each of those players can be turned into a well behaved paying customer.

Whilst I would like to nail each botter and hang them by the larger of their testicles, I completely understand CCP not wanting to ban everybody on their first offence and to try and turn them into good paying citizens of New Eden.

If I remember rightly only 8.5% of players continue botting after they are first caught, that is a good chunk revenue saved by not intsa banning.

If you do not understand this then dear lord never start your own business Big smile
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#16 - 2012-04-06 19:14:57 UTC

I'd like to point out that botters get more than just a small banning (at least now). Now, they get the assets they gained by botting removed, which can be quite a substantial hit.

Imagine if you won the lottery? How much would you spend? How much of your money would you be wreckless with? Then, imagine someone comes along and takes that lottery money away from you after you had a month to spend it.

I think the current punishments fit the crime pretty well....
-- loss of their botting profits...
-- temporary ban...
-- characters locked to their account (so they can no longer sell off their characters).
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-06 19:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Ildryn wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Horny Emma wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28581

Looks like ccp listens


I don't know about you but I knew about this for several months.... why not you?



reported by CCP Sreegs | 2012.04.03 19:50:49 | Comments

months and months and months....you see this ******* has a time machine



LOL.

Been watching this stuff for some time....everyone talks about it and thinks CCP is doing nothing...yet they obviously are...and ramping it up quite noticibly.

Go back in the archives and dev blogs...old forum topics...they have brought this up before.

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Max Karma
Tri-gun
#18 - 2012-04-13 02:09:17 UTC
So they still doing temp bans for botting? or they changing that, i dont see anything wrong with a temp ban than full ban on 2nd offence.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#19 - 2012-04-13 03:52:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Herping yourDerp wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
This is stupid. Everyone who runs a red light should go to prison for life. None of this first offense slap on the wrist stuff.


running a bot is the MMO equivalent of murder... so yea ban should be permanent.
glad CCP is stepping up... i have never seen a game so soft on cheaters then Eve.

No, RMT is murder.


Botting is just speeding... excessively...

Anyway, nothing wrong with a temp ban first, as most banned botters stop (and sometimes innocents do get hit). Personally see no need for a 3rd chance.