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Naw, what it illustrates is just how far CCP management had their head up their ass until the players started literally rioting and unsubbing.

-Liang

This. CSM6 did a good job (I'm not going to slight The Mittani, he makes a good space politician) but they also owe their success to the massive player support and action they had backing them.

I gained direkkktorate approval to pass this tidbit of information down. Consider it a revelation.

All of the money that was made from the interdiction came from buying up blue ice and oxytopes in empire and selling it off shortly before the interdiction stopped, and while it was insane ISK, the alliance still spent more ISK on bounties. The purpose was, more than anything else, to have fun. Even with high oxygen isotope prices, running anoms is vastly more profitable than ice mining, even in nullsec.

I realize you're probably going to smash your head as you stare at your spreadsheets, but you cannot quantify fun.

It would be cool if they gave 100 titans the ability to link up to create a super doom's day that can crack a moon, which would turn the moons into shattered moon/asteroid field that everyone can mine... Never going to happen tho.

Remember during the summer of rage when CCP brought the CSM to Iceland for an emergency meeting? If players unsubbing was the only thing responsible for all these great changes that meeting wouldn't have been necessary.

I understand it's hard for some people to give a goon-led CSM credit but in this case it's deserved.

Keynote - although it came across as a suggested idea combined with some obscure comments about changing or adapting mining to more of a social activity (something about 'incursion like' as in co operative play).

Very much got the impression CCP were dropping ideas out there to see how the crowd responded (whoops/silence) - definitely doesnt looked as a fixed 'will happen'.

C.

It was the player rage, though, that made CCP work with CSM as much as they did, and listen to their suggestions as much as they did (and implement them). CSM was CCPs recourse in an effort to stem the flow of ****, and this is a purpose for CSM's existence, representing players and their gameplay. A lot of the issues that the CSM members (current and past) bring up are not their original ideas, they are issues from the past, long-standing complaints from the playerbase, etc. Now, obviously it takes an effective politician type to give the ideas you champion weight, perhaps more weight than other CSM members' issues, and it would be stupid to deny that Mittens showed his skill at that. But it would also be stupid to suggest that he singlehandedly brought about all the positive changes with no one else, past and present, having had a hand in bringing these issues to CCPs attention in the first place. Synergy is the idea here.

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This.

Materials (items, drops, whatever) should come from multiple sources in a sandbox universe. Ideally a mix of guaranteed sources (purchase BPC from a LP store, mine a moon or asteroid belt), diffuse random sources (game-wide drops from exploration sites, game-wide random loot drops, etc), and concentrated random sources (stuff is more likely to show up in region X, Y and Z). This lets players find their own balance point within the system as they decide whether obtaining the resource via one method is better then obtaining it via another method.

The supplementary sources also server as a check and balance against a monopoly over the primary source. If the primary source gets too expensive, the supplementary activities which can be used to obtain the material become economically viable for those who don't have access to the primary source.

The trick in game balance is that your diffuse (T1 modules reprocessed into minerals, or drone poo from hi-sec mission rats) and concentrated random drops (the drone regions rats which only drop drone poo) need to be monitored so that they don't overwhelm the primary source (raw ore). Which is what went wrong with the drone regions and why ABC ores took a tumble, the supplementary sources were too good.

You're taking this game way too seriously