EVE General Discussion

Yeah anything that DOESNT mean even more spys and alts to play fw. its hard as **** currently to manage your sec if you want to go shopping in high sec etc

Some thoughts now that my brain has been fuelled once again (beware!):
iHub: Why? What in the heavens is the purpose, the system upgrade concept doesn't need to be attached to a 'physical' item as its all just LP numbers from what I could understand. With no changes to plexes and/or spawn rates they'll still drop in <12hr with zero chance for counter attacks (unless EHP is stupidly high like in null = BORING = Blobs Ahoy!).
- Once vulnerable have a 3-4 hour period after which system flips automatically. Defensive plexes during this time count double so it is imperative for attacker to prevent any plex losses .. eliminates EHP grind and doesn't cater unnecessarily to the blob.

Docking/Stations: It has been almost a year since one of CCP's top-dogs said they would never deny docking in NPC stations as it unravels all manner of nastiness, like for ex. the inability to access ones hardware through no fault of oneself.
- Denial of service is more than enough. Means no refitting, insurance, clones etc. in a 'locked' station thus forcing people to come prepared (carrier, POS, lol-Alts et al.) while allowing advancing in the opposite direction (read: retreating).
Would be good if a neutral faction such as SoE got a handful of stations in the FW areas that were always open no matter what, should be scarce'ish as in 6-7 jumps minimum between two such stations.

Datacores: Sure why not, as long as FW gets a monopoly on them and the solo-mission-bombers are removed from play. LP is so damn easy to acquire that neglecting to address how it is earned will only serve to devalue datacores to an insane degree making the change rather pointless (unless the aim is to lower invention costs which is a evil abuse of FW if you ask me).

Clones: Who cares. It is bloody low-sec not bubble land, the biggest hurdle is costs of replacing umpteen ships per day and access to them. Give us low-cost (improved ME) assembly lines in the militia stations, restricted to FW members (Industry not subject to service denial as mentioned above).

Cyno-Jammer: WTF!?! Keep that piece of **** null thinking out of any FW revisions you plan. Only supers are an issue as LS can't build them, spam them or use bubbles to hold them .. remove their immunities when in Empire space, give the pilots with massive standings hits with faction they trespass on and generally sort the damn supers out, don't chicken out and push something as stupid as this just so you can save a few trains-of-thought.

Missions: Tie LP payouts to accrued VP. If one doesn't actually fight the war one signed up for one will get nothing but mouldy peanuts .. problem solved. The whole thing that CCP doesn't want to force people to do something they don't want to do is GARBAGE (not the awesome band of old!) .. they bloody well signed on the dotted line when they joined a MILITIA to fight a WAR .. W.T.F!

System upgrades: Why the hell should anyone donate LP under that system if said LP can be nullified by something as mundane as capping a plex? It is a nice idea, but needs a LOT more thought put into it.

In short: Brainfart-on-Napkin presentation. That 'WHOOOOSH!' you heard in the background was everything we have been discussing for the past three years going over CCP head (or the sound of the sky falling, take your pick).

PS: Sorry Hans. I am afraid you have a lot of work ahead of you on/with the CSM ..

Datacore Changes

- Want to add datacores to LP stores for factional warfare
Such a move makes no logical sense, the Faction warfare corps' primary focus is the prosecution of the lowsec conflicts between the empires, not Research and Development.

- Want to make datacores more expensive. add cash, or increase RP cost.
I understand the desire, even the need to remove the passive acquisition of datacores (and indeed I would go as far as to say it needs to happen for all forms of assets/income) as ocours under the current mechanics, by all means add in a extra cost in terms of either LP or RP in order to raise their price if that's the overall goal, however in order to remain constant with the current backstory, not to mention a lot of people's playstyles, an active acquisition should still be centred around the existing R&D corporations.

Yeah... I'm hoping the stuff they have schedule for Inferno is far more baked than this.

-Liang

I had a couple thoughts based on the Faction Warfare presentation.

Since Ranks really have no purpose as I understood from the presentation:

Faction Warfare Ranks

* Affects the ability of joining opposing factions

* No instant loss of rank upon leaving faction, so that joining the opposing faction takes a specified amount of time as one's connection to the previous faction demotes over time. This way the opposing faction could remember that General So-and-So was part of the other side's Militia if they left yesterday, but maybe a few weeks later, oh, your So-and-So, you sound familiar, well, what the heck, join us have fun.

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While Standings are needed, this would prevent people from instantly switching. And if people attempt to keep lower ranks to avoid this penalty it means they aren't committed and thus not getting as much LP since they aren't participating as much. This way there is a direct penalty vs reward, if you want the LP for participating it means you need to be committed to your side.

Major mistake. It should be a completely different gameplay. The FW inhibitants are mainly people who want small-, fastpaced and fluid PvP. The nullsec combat is anything but that. And the people promised the FW-content was the old roleplayers, the nullsec mechanics offers nothing to them either. No sense x2.

Edit; Not to mention how stupid it is to balance FW gameplay around another mechanic that is flawed and appeals to a very small part of the community atm. If any gameplay (FW or whatever) is supposed to be based (or similar) to other content, it should be content that is appealing and actually works. WH is appealing and works. NPC nullsec is appealing and works. Sov null doesn't. Sov null needing a 'fix' is a separate issue tho, but centering gameplay around that is at best "lol's", at worst.. stupid beyond belief.

Absolutely agree. CCP has NOT been listening to us at all to be headed down this path....I'll have more to say soon enough, but a thousand times what Misanth is saying here.

What they proposed was complete denial of all stations (i.e. not just those owned by the NPC FW corps) in systems held by hostile factions.

I can certainly live with some sort of penalty. I did say that *total* denial of assets would be stupid. I'm not against meaningful consequences for system control, in fact I think it'd be interesting if there were some, I just don't want to go to sleep having docked in a 100% decontested system at midnight and wake up unable to access any of my stuff when I log back in at 9am (and yes, the flips are/can be that fast now, thanks to the new plex spawn mechanic. The new spawn mechanic has done good things in bringing us more pewpew in plexes and nixing the post DT rush, but I think it needs a little tweak to stop the system pingpong as that's getting a little silly. That's all somewhat tangential to the point here.)

I cautiously like the idea of 'neutral' stations. I think the whole idea of station access denial needs a *lot* of work before it can hit TQ, both regarding level of denial (total, services only, or some other non-total version) and regarding which stations deny access. The point regarding the Gallente in 2009 is a very valid one - if all stations in hostile-held systems deny docking rights, at that point they couldn't have docked in a single station in the warzone - and for those of you who aren't familiar with the Gal/Cal warzone, it's absolutely huge. That seems to be taking things beyond consequences and into the stabby rage inducing that CCP are trying to get rid of in other parts of the game (like pos mechanics). It also doesn't make a massive amount of sense from a lore point of view in that not all NPC stations are owned by the faction whose system they're in. If memory serves there's a Caldari corp with a station in Amamake, whichever way you go there it's a logical anomaly.

That's actually one of the better ideas. It gives meaning to control of space in a way that matters to individual pilots on a day-to-day basis. If you don't have standing with the faction that controls (sov) the area of space, why should you be allowed to dock up? By taking your opponents area, you deny them a base of operation and make it easier for you to do logistics / get replacement ships.

It mirrors null-sec a bit more where you have to be neutral/friendly with the local to obtain docking rights.

Now, maybe they need to extend that concept a bit further so that faction standings cause you docking problems in hi-sec as well.