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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-03-23 16:57:15 UTC
If hi sec pvp ends or is disrupted last year's summer of rage will look like a ccp fan club.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#42 - 2012-03-23 17:06:02 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
If hi sec pvp ends or is disrupted last year's summer of rage will look like a ccp fan club.



I don't think so, a vast majority of eve just doesn't give a damn.


Can someone actually explain what was said with some precision, i is very relevant to PRVTR alliance and i am in the middle of class.

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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2012-03-23 17:10:16 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
If hi sec pvp ends or is disrupted last year's summer of rage will look like a ccp fan club.



I don't think so, a vast majority of eve just doesn't give a damn.


Can someone actually explain what was said with some precision, i is very relevant to PRVTR alliance and i am in the middle of class.


Basically you privateers/orphanage people wont be able to RR and then immediately redock.

pwnted =p

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#44 - 2012-03-23 17:17:49 UTC
oh that, we had a highsec round table about that and basically the mechanic as discussed yesterday at fanfest would mean that you get agro every time you rep someone which means all peoples, that includes low and null sec people would be affected. Jump deaggro timers on gates would be reset by repping and the result is none of your logi go through. If it hits sisi it would not survive the uproar at logi getting left behind.

i was more wondering what was said about wardecs today,.

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Lord Helghast
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-03-23 17:18:40 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
There is no PVP in highsec anymore. only suicide ganking.

You can now legally exploit mechanics to 100% avoid wardecs. They're also introducing new aggro mechanics so you cant canflip anymore etc.

The carebear infection in eve is starting to take its toll. Soon there will be nothing left but World of Evecraft... So harass those bears while you still can, it wont be possible for much longer


They arent making can flipping inpossible, there just making it so that if you flip a can or do something illegal your a "suspect" its global not just against the idiot n00b but against anyone, so guess what that tengu that just landed in the belt after you can flipped, can kill your ass because you BROKE THE LAW.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-03-23 17:20:01 UTC
Just a somewhat condensed leak version, with low accuracy for forum drama.

- they are putting in a war dec system where you can simply ignore it if it's griefer.
- Criminal watch stops rewarding stupidity. If you want to play you are going to pay.
- Some vague mention of using tags in reputation repare. Not much detail.

So you can't just war dec people willy nilly, you can't use neut alts to stack the deck but they are making it kind of easier to repent?
Lord Helghast
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-03-23 17:20:55 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
oh that, we had a highsec round table about that and basically the mechanic as discussed yesterday at fanfest would mean that you get agro every time you rep someone which means all peoples, that includes low and null sec people would be affected. Jump deaggro timers on gates would be reset by repping and the result is none of your logi go through. If it hits sisi it would not survive the uproar at logi getting left behind.

i was more wondering what was said about wardecs today,.


It's a change but its not technically a bad change it just stops the "gate games" that logi play, there are alternative ways to fly and even the gate games arent safe for logi, hell 2,3 bc's jump through and hold cloak for the logi to crash gate and p00f

And if your in a fight and the logi have agro from repping you, you have agro also from fighting, so how is the logi getting left behind....

Yes logi if they stick to keep there fleet alive may die, but guess what! Thats the price the logi pilot pays for keeping those players alive...

Thats also why they said there thinking of ways to get logi onto killmails and things like reinforcement mails, etc...
Noceur-01 Tiers
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#48 - 2012-03-23 17:22:18 UTC
Gotta love all people insinuating it's real pvp to kill off the newbs trying to get started. More solo pvp would be cool but that is not the right kind of solo pvp, that is just pathetic. ))
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#49 - 2012-03-23 17:32:07 UTC
Quote:
- they are putting in a war dec system where you can simply ignore it if it's griefer.


can anyone elaborate on this at all, i know a new wardec system is in the works from the twitter feed on EN24.


If it means that all wars are consensual then i might as well do a distribution of the rainy day fund now.

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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2012-03-23 17:34:24 UTC
Lord Helghast wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
There is no PVP in highsec anymore. only suicide ganking.

You can now legally exploit mechanics to 100% avoid wardecs. They're also introducing new aggro mechanics so you cant canflip anymore etc.

The carebear infection in eve is starting to take its toll. Soon there will be nothing left but World of Evecraft... So harass those bears while you still can, it wont be possible for much longer


They arent making can flipping inpossible, there just making it so that if you flip a can or do something illegal your a "suspect" its global not just against the idiot n00b but against anyone, so guess what that tengu that just landed in the belt after you can flipped, can kill your ass because you BROKE THE LAW.

That would be fine and dandy. The problem is that you're not even allowed to defend yourself against anyone attacking you.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2012-03-23 17:35:41 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
Quote:
- they are putting in a war dec system where you can simply ignore it if it's griefer.


can anyone elaborate on this at all, i know a new wardec system is in the works from the twitter feed on EN24.


If it means that all wars are consensual then i might as well do a distribution of the rainy day fund now.

You should anchor offline towers on as many moons as you can. You'll be able to sell them to people, since you wont be able to wardec a corp to take their POS space in highsec anymore.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-03-23 17:46:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Kattshiro
You could I dunno go to low?

Isnt 90% of high sec pvp bullying or suicide ganking?... Of which you can still suicide gank. I wouldnt really call whacking someone in a hulk pvp under legitimate terms... Technically yes in the fundamental understanding...but really?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#53 - 2012-03-23 17:52:08 UTC
From the keynote (my recollection, interpretation)

War dec mechanic will be changed to close the loopholes, and to eliminate the need to use loopholes.
I assume the loopholes they are talking about are alliance swapping and dec shield.
The only thing they mentioned in the way of making using loopholes unneeded is the ability for defending corps to make contracts requesting assistance and mercenary corps to accept them.

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Mathias Hex
#54 - 2012-03-23 18:15:03 UTC
Ar'ika wrote:
Jade Scytale wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
There is no PVP in highsec anymore. only suicide ganking.

You can now legally exploit mechanics to 100% avoid wardecs. They're also introducing new aggro mechanics so you cant canflip anymore etc.

The carebear infection in eve is starting to take its toll. Soon there will be nothing left but World of Evecraft... So harass those bears while you still can, it wont be possible for much longer


Highsec has always been a joke. All this does is push the "pvpers" who are too terrified to leave highsec out of it.


Becouse listening to your Fc in a 600 v 600 blob is "proper" pvp, right?


Lowsec isnt blob warfare... Everyone who has a problem with not being able to gank in highsec IS a carebear lol go to lowsec if you can handle a fair fight. Its pretty obvious you want as risk free gameplay as those you call a carebear, take a look in the mirror cuz you look pretty fuzzy to me.

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Callimminniss Prdsk
Cyrix Ltd.
#55 - 2012-03-23 18:29:22 UTC
I'm reading between the lines here a bit, but I'm assuming the point is that new players can be exposed to PvP without being kicked in the balls so hard they lose all hope and give up. In as far as that goes, how can anyone complain?
wolftkilla
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-03-23 18:40:04 UTC
High sec pvp has never been an issue, So why are they trying to change it, most people do not like change in the first place, there is no need to edit the mechanics of war decs and can flipping, everybody who does it likes/loves the way it is right now, and unless they make it so everybody is red or if you take a can you go red to everybody, people are going to be annoyed, oh wait, CCP are doing this, because they're CCP..Roll
Twulf
Thunder Clap Industry
#57 - 2012-03-23 19:02:26 UTC
And here I though hardcore PVPers played EVE, how wrong I was.

So many crying about not being able to gang newbies in High sec anymore, yea real hardcore PvP there, killing newbies.

So much for EvE being for hardcore players, what a myth. Seems to be nothng but a bunch of whining gankers that what their instant gradification killmails from killing new players instead of having to put effort and skill into their kills. So sad.
Zircon Dasher
#58 - 2012-03-23 19:11:38 UTC
lulz@ all the people who think ganks are about "the fights" in any way, shape, or form.

You guys srsly brighten my day.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-03-23 19:39:37 UTC
wolftkilla wrote:
High sec pvp has never been an issue, So why are they trying to change it, most people do not like change in the first place, there is no need to edit the mechanics of war decs and can flipping, everybody who does it likes/loves the way it is right now, and unless they make it so everybody is red or if you take a can you go red to everybody, people are going to be annoyed, oh wait, CCP are doing this, because they're CCP..Roll


Good luck trying to convince the universe that you and 2 or 3 other griefers are "most people".

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-03-23 19:40:50 UTC
Twulf wrote:
And here I though hardcore PVPers played EVE, how wrong I was.

So many crying about not being able to gang newbies in High sec anymore, yea real hardcore PvP there, killing newbies.

So much for EvE being for hardcore players, what a myth. Seems to be nothng but a bunch of whining gankers that what their instant gradification killmails from killing new players instead of having to put effort and skill into their kills. So sad.

I'm betting if you had a clue, you would be dangerous....


I'm waiting to see what they come out with on Sunday before I go all :pitchforks:... I suggest everyone else do the same.

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