EVE General Discussion

The bottom line for CCP is always going to be the same. If they run out of money then the game folds and suddenly there is a rash of suicides around the globe that no one can fathom.

So thank CCP that they are doing this to keep a percentage of their player base alive.



So here is the main reason for the changes.


A friend of mine loves solo pvp but cannot find it anywhere so he decided to set up shop in Deeperi a noob start up system. When he was there so noticed a constant stream of older players coming into the system and dropping cans named "free stuff" and things like that. When he picked one up he was ignored.

So he came back in noob ships that had been fitted for combat such as a buffer tanked neut sigil and things like that and took the bait. He was attacked straight away. He found he could fight all day long with a procession of people looking to kill noobs. When they dried up he went to another noob system and found the same thing.

When he went to the noob stations there were older players just hanging about outside the station who were checking new players and the corps they were in.

This is a huge problem in EVE that hardly anyone knows about. There are a sizable population of players who wardec and grief brand new players and the falloff from them is massive

My own story. I was a CEO of a corp of 40 players all under 2 months old. Wardeced by a group of players who told me the price was 350 million (price of a plex at the time) to end the war. i said no and they told me that they would wardec me personally out of the game. It only ended after 5 weeks when we joined a major alliance. When i checked their other wars. It was all corps just like ours.


This problem is rampent in highsec and all you ever here is "grow a pair and go out and fight them" or "go back to WOW". But if they do go out and fight them and just get destroyed until they have nothing left or there enjoyment of the game is gone forever then they leave the game forever.

You want the player base to grow you cannot have them grief out of the game in the first few months of playing.


Lastly. Just because you dont do this does not mean that other people dont.


Your thoughts please.

Jesus wept you completely missed the point.

My thoughts are that I have been here since the game came out, and I can almost perfectly negatively correlate the amount of changes CCP made that resulted in a safer and less harsh gaming experience, and the rate of change in subscription growth.

In case you're bad at math, I will simplify: over the years CCP has made changes (such as the Privateer nerf, CONCORD buffs, etc.) that diminished the nonconsensual player interaction aspects of the game. At the same time, the ratio of new subscriptions to players unsubscribing has steadily decreased, and is now essentially a plateau.

OP has a point.. Normal people don't tolerate this **** and will leave. In the end we'll have to rename this game Aspie Online.

Maybe you should have got some old players in your corp.
Joined an alliance.
Disbanded.
Paid someone for protection.
etc etc etc.

Need to cry much?

I just got done with a 10 to1 odds war lol... let me come on the forums and cry about how it was 10 to 1 and I could never win and tear tear...

it seems to me that one of the big problems is that the only "value" PvE players have to PvP players is as killmail fodder.

Perhaps if in order to maintain SOV or a pos or even just to run a corp you *needed* care bear input (and new pilots too somehow) then instead of moaning and groaning you would have PvP pilots queuing up to protect care bears (might make fighting more interesting too if you could target others supply chains).

Obviously its a long way to that situation from where we are now and would require some very big changes - but the direction we are currently going in does seem to be to split the PvE players completely from the PvP players by putting them in different zones

(oh and by "needed" I mean something that the care bears can do that PvPers can't - mutually exclusive skill trees? a mechanism were shooting anything prevents some other actions - I don't know but it should be a mutually beneficial relationship)

Now… you do understand that the aggression mechanics has as a goal to remain as close to the same as possible, right, and that we at this point no absolutely nothing about how wardecs will change (except maybe that they want to make them work and remove things like decshedding and decshielding)?

So what highsec PvP changes are you talking about?

You know, I've run a mercenary corporation for a while, and some of the worst clients, or should I say, potential clients, were carebears. They come to you, describe the situation, and when you lay out your terms, they are extremely surprised that there's a fee attached. "What do you mean, 'pay?'," they ask. "Doesn't it just cost you just 2 million to wardec them? Aren't you pvpers and want to pvp?" More often than not I know for a fact that it's not an issue of money for these people; a bit of research quickly reveals the terribly-fit faction battleships they routinely lose.

The problem with carebears is that they always want to get something for nothing. It shows in threads like these.

Edit: removed due to dodgey Internet connection garbling my message

HURF BLURF HTFU GROW A PAIR BACK TO WOW CASUAL PUBBIE FGGT TRAMMIE NEWB CANT DEAL WITH IT OHGOD IM LITERALLY ********.

That's what all you newbie haters sound like. There is a huge difference between shitting on newbs for the luls and actively griefing the living **** out of them until they want to commit ritual sepaku for even knowing that eve online exists. The new player experience needs to be a bit more graduated from point a or "carebear invulnerable haven" to point z or "ahaha I made you biomass your toon cause you lost all hope of survival due to nonstop griefing and abusing ******, badly documented game mechanics."

Anything that keeps us in the middle of above mentioned a to z track is good for the overall game and provides more targets for everybody.

You do know that over-feeding is a thing right?