Crime & Punishment

http://i.imgur.com/1tLtR.jpg

New "suspect" flag
- Minor crimes. Anyone can shoot you without penalty
- Flipping a can for example
- Anyone assisting a suspect becomes a suspect
- Not sure if gate guns will attack a suspect

All of the above seems fine...right? The twist on this; at least as far as I've been led to believe is that

- Killing somebody, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit (even if they shoot at you first) up to -5
- Killing somebody, who is +5, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit up to -10
- The 'assisting' suspect-flagged RR pilot also incurs the security hit if a ship was killed

So, since this won't stop the hisec ganking (until that eventually gets nerfed into impossibility this coming year), do you think the idea is to 'force' more people into Low-Sec and Null while protecting the new bear population?

Do you think that will work? It seems, to me at least, to be aimed at the ninjas, can-flippers and other ne'er-do-wells of hisec with the intention of creating a completely safe zone. War decs can be scraped off, bounties don't mean a thing, plus apparently there will be one-time settable toggles to set it so you never, unintentionally, ever go red to somebody else.

My guess is that with Empire space as a completely safe zone, with no possibility of non-consesual PvP or any player to player content, this will pretty much end up being a completely safe and boring high-sec, (still) nearly-empty lowsec and the continued Null power blocks (if you're not 'in' with them and the politics, you'll be in hisec safety)

thoughts?

My thought is that it will eventually seriously degrade the game as it was first introduced and even how it is played today. People who start Eve to just try it out will stay in high-sec (unless they have friends in the null alliances) and play for a while until they get bored of the grind. You will no longer have the ****-fit navy Dominix that dies in his mission, gets an adrenaline rush he'd never experienced before, gets excited and learns more about fitting a ship properly who then either is motivated to move to nullsec or become a white knight to combat the 'honorless internet jerks'...or possibly become one of the 'jerks' themselves.

Thoughts:

They're driving a Caterpillar D-12 through our sandbox to try and force all of us into null, so many of them being the ****-sucking lickspittle little pets of null-barons.

**** them, and their owners, if it ever happens that those are our only choices, then I am gone, right ******* now.

They've already nerfed ninja-salvaging into the ground, wardec'ing is done--just waiting for the Do Not Resuscitate order to be officially read--everything about the combat engine favours alts and blobs--and looks like suicide-ganking may be next.

EVE as I knew and came to love it is moribund, if not dead already, and has been for some time.

HiSec was/is one of the last true sandboxes left--for those of us who "got" EVE. Now it's just fluffy safe little carebear-land.

****, just multi-shard it into PvE- and PvP-only servers, already, CCP. It's obvious that you want to.

I pray that I am wrong here, but it looks less and less that I am.

So far, I don't see any issues there. But the information given doesn't seem very detailed.

Flipping a can and being KOS for everybody would be PERFECT !
It would finally end all the cowards and bigmouths who hide behind stupid game mechanics
and pretend to be big bad men with skills. They need to realize what they are. Cowards.

Want to fight ? Either go to lowsec or live as outlaw in highsec !
Plenty of fights and/or fun to be had either way ! As outlaw in highsec, EVERYBODY is your enemy ! :D

It would end stupid station "pvp" where players dock up if real danger starts.

If this helps removing the cowards from highsec, or teach them better behaviour, then i'm all for it.


*lol* I want to see the people at Hek undock with these game mechanics ... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D



Edit:
Could anybody please explain to me why these changes would "force" anybody to low/nullsec ?

so far, all but one of the responses are interesting and thoughtful. I expected that one response though.

I had not seen the part about gaining sec status for shooting -5's.

Any other thoughts?

All sounds good to me thus far. It will take some polish but it seems to make HiSec a more Target Rich environment if you work it properly...

LOL, more tears comments...keep em coming!

On the other hand, the second part was interesting enough to garner a response.

What do you think the chances are that CCP will eliminate the dec-shield and dec-scraping? Have you heard anything serious, or was that wishful thinking? Have you heard anything about the 'associate' tag for jumping corp? That would be an interesting mechanic and I think would actually be good... but I seriously think that removing PvP from hisec is CCP's current goal. Allowing for a loophole like that would mean CCP actually would like people to fight in hisec...something they have not demonstrated recently.

Also, for the other response about living as an outlaw...I'd almost agree with the possibility of actually being a true -10 'outlaw' as envisioned if these changes go through...but I'd like to propose then, that it be reciprical and balanced...thus, -10 players would actually be welcomed at lowsec stations where pirate factions control it...and positive standings players would be shot at by the station guns, the npc police and possibly the gate guns, depending on the security status of the system. On a humorous thought; spawn NPC police if positive-status players enter the system and attempt to 'patrol the pirates'. I hardly think it's logical that people are allowed to sit around Guristas stations and have offices there that are positive standing.

I'd think that the possible benefit to a 'balanced and reciprocal' system like this would actually have people voluntarily move to lowsec.

Thoughts?

Good discussions over in this thread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=978676

Eve forums could best be described as carebears who are obsessed with calling other players carebears.

Seriously, you want fun? Go to lowsec. It's a delicious combination of carebears taking shortcuts and lone hunters trying to catch them or get fair 1v1 fights. At least that's my experience.

You can do everything in low sec for more reward, but you need to take precautions.

Risk-free attacks on newbies in high sec is probably the saddest and most carebearish thing you can do in this game.

If I understand the changes correctly, I'm totally anxious that they come into game ASAP.

I don't have to search for cans anymore to get aggressed to someone, I can just grap ANY can and everyone can get into a fight with me (-> suspect flag). Or even better, I just start to shoot someone. Chances for a response are so much higher, when your slugs are already tearing holes into the hull (there was a slide in the show that had shooting people in the suspect category and only killing gave Concord response).

And then EVERYONE can come and defend the poor sod that you are harrassing. And now get into a fast ship and know how to drag potential incoming hordes of carebears apart and kill them one by one, cause they have absolutely no idea how a coordinated response should look like.

Or even better: get someone with pvp practice into the belt for a good fight!

These changes sound pretty much like the advent of belt piracy in highsec.

I would think high sec pvpers would actually like this. Sounds to me like it could create far more pvp than it would actually eliminate. If you flip a can and anyone can shot at you then there is a pretty high chance someone takes you up on it instead of sifting through countless miners to find one stupid enough to fall for it.

The problem is that the ones that are not in favor of this aren't really pvpers. They just like the ability to kill someone without any risk of getting popped themselves. You guys always ask for more risk in high sec. Here it is and now you don't like it since it wouldn't be just one way risk anymore.