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CrossedSwords
Them Unreliables
#381 - 2011-09-24 10:20:53 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Update: The CSM has posted a statement regarding CCP's refocusing. We encourage you to read it.

Begun, the Feature War has.

CCP's announcement that EVE development will be refocused, is, of course, reason for celebration.

But don't get cocky, bittervet. This is not victory, it's just the opening shot in the war -- the Feature War.

The real battle in the Feature War will be fought over how the ammo -- the newly available development resources made available by this "refocusing" -- will be used.

Right now in a sinister conference room, arguments are being made that it should be spent on :awesome: flashiness and exploding planets.

Meanwhile, a plucky band of rebel developers champions a radical proposition -- that development should be refocused on fixing existing problems in the game. Stuff like POS's, the user interface, mining and manufacturing, Sov, and a host of other annoyances that plague the current community.

The Feature War is raging now... the decisions will be made soon... and your voice in this thread provides ammo to one side or the other.

Make your voice heard. This threadnaught can be the ultimate power in the EVE universe. I suggest you use it.

Victory? Victory you say? Master Bittervet, not victory. The shroud of the :awesome: side has fallen. Begun the Feature War has.

PS to Zulu: "This is not the blog we're looking for."



id do anything for exploding planets
Potensa Aquiana
All Your Trit Are Belongs To Us
#382 - 2011-09-24 10:24:17 UTC
id just have to say even with all the "rabble"(polite way of saying bitching) going on they have still been quite friendly in most cases note they havent called the pilots of eve "stupid hate mongering idiots" or anything of that nature.....yet!! ;)
Krall Hoar
Combined Technologies
#383 - 2011-09-24 10:29:34 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
To people who are angry about lack of "meat" in this devblog, let me just say a few things.

As a player, I want to know what's being worked on, and not just a "it's going to be ok" kind of statement (like I trust CCP to do things right Roll).
As a member of the CSM, I want to know what's going to be worked on as soon as it is talked about so I can give feedback before considerable effort is spent on something that's not going to solve our issues.

Those two things are what I'm unsatisfied about in this blog.

However, that being said...

CCP has had several problems in the past, the most notable of which has been a severe issue with direction of development. Planetary Interactions? InCarna? Both decent ideas too many resources have been put into without any satisfying roadmap or expectation of positive result. It's been mostly wishful thinking and the product of what we refer to as "team awesome".

CCP is currently taking a big step back from the crap and forward in the right direction. Following the forum rage, the dismal reception of incarna, the subscriber loss, they're effectively saying "let's refocus on what our customer want". That's quite big, and I can't fault CCP for taking a bit of time to figure out exactly in which direction that step should be taken. Which leads me to the 2nd point.

Having seen the way plans are made, I know CCP usually plans for more things that eventually make it to the release. Some of it is bad evaluation of resources needed to complete a task, some of it is the result of too high standards (lol art department), some of it makes sense as you want to overplan so if something goes faster than expected, you know what to spend your resources on.

Historically, whenever CCP has published a plan, instead of taking things with a grain of salt and being happy for the part that eventually made it in, people have reacted negatively to the things that *didn't* make it in. In that sense CCP Zulu's stance to underpromise and overdeliver makes a lot of sense.

The scope of the change is really huge, he said it, I say it. And CCP better be darn sure that what they're telling us is coming will actually be delivered (*wink* *wink*). If anything, this blog ensures that the next ones, the ones with the meat, have to show something we care about, because if it doesn't not only will we be facepalming at the content, we'll be raging at CCP's inability to comprehend what it is we want, despite the amount of feedback provided on the forums and through the CSM. So I'll be repeating what I said in the other thread. If they have to take 2 more weeks to figure out how to do things right, they should do just that, because at this stage promising something and failing to deliver it would be the worst move for this game.

We have another meeting with Zulu today, and what I'll be saying in essence is this:
- don't bring us shiny worthless **** that won't fix anything
- if you want to introduce new shiny, do it in a way that fixes existing problems (new shiny modular POSes, engaging sov mechanics, bounty/sec system revamp, use lowsec improvements to fix the "Crimewatch" system, etc.)

So, is this blog a missed opportunity for positive announcement, yes.
Do we need more information than vague statements, absolutely.
Is CCP's changing direction to go towards what we want a bad thing? Hell no!
That change is happening, we'll just focus on making sure it happens in the right direction.

Rage about the right things.


Well spoken, absolutely true, totally agree!
You got my voice on next election.

+ I read something about space enlargement, wow best idea I ever heared, would bring us back some of the feeling in 2003-2006. Space is to crowded these days
black cree
Utopian Research I.E.L.
#384 - 2011-09-24 10:44:54 UTC
Wait and see.

We are put in a position of weakness where we are the one expecting when the magical anticrap patch will be deployed.
If his claims are genuine, will he have enough ressources allocated by the very responsible of this mess?
If ressources are allocated, how long until the patch is deployed? Soon tm again?

I canceled accounts and stop paying with real money.
October is near and it is interesting financial times indeed.
Now this blog, sorry i pay for features, not promises.
Only when the patch is deployed AND is not crippled by bugs I will pay 3 accounts with real money.
If enough people do the same it will multiply the pressure.

Hurry up the clock is ticking but the pressure is not on my side.
Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#385 - 2011-09-24 11:03:59 UTC
black cree wrote:
We are put in a position of weakness where we are the one expecting when the magical anticrap patch will be deployed.


I disagree; the EVE community is in a position of strength.

I say this because if CCP fails to convince the community, then we know where the unsub button is. Mittens called it a blunt instrument, and that it is, but that blunt instrument wields the ultimate authority here.
Wolff Larsen
Interbus Universal
#386 - 2011-09-24 11:39:13 UTC
CCP, just remember that all the negative talk will vanish if and when you deliver what you vaguely promised. Just look at the reactions to the recent "fixing some things and moving forward" blog.So don't be sad because so many people don't trust your words right now, but rather just do the work and then reap the earned praise Smile
Perramas
DreddNaut
#387 - 2011-09-24 11:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Perramas
We live in interesting times; in fact we are the kind of subscribers that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this past summer. First off we have Incarna, an egregious technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago turned to piffle that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolled out without content, and in some cases crappier than what CCP had before, this is the pinnacle of professional balderdash. For all the trolling and whining in the forums we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.

But we have done more, not only have we redefined the trolling and whining quality one can apply to mmorpg companies with the beautiful Incarna riots but we have also defined what it really means to bring virtual reality creators to their knees .

Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few months ago we stopped the gold scorpion and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as subscribers by redefining assumptions. After one summer we have canceled tens of thousands of accounts, generating more fear and stained underwear than any of the other riots/threadnaughts in EVE.

This we have done after months of canceling accounts by a group of highly angry subscribers. We have communicated our intention here, failheap, IRC and other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.

Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this since EverQuest, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what they say. Breaking through to rancid ram ball munching drug addicted alcoholics takes time and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.

We went out with a decisive strategy on trolling and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through trolling and canceling accounts.

All that said, I couldn’t be prouder of what we have accomplished as a community, changing CCP is hard and we are doing it! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt

Officer Spawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#388 - 2011-09-24 12:36:32 UTC
Quote:
The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company.


This is a statement that is almost certainly a lie, the amount of resources you are reallocating to back spaceships cannot be larger then the amount you allocated away from it or brought in to work purely on non-FiS stuff.

In your infamous 18 months blog the totals were as follows:

FiS: 22 developers
Incarna: 70 developers
DUST: 7 developers
EVE Gate: 10 developers
Misc.: 15 developers of which I'll consider 10 to be working on FiS

So that comes to 32 FiS/ 92 non-FiS or 26%/74%

I look forward to the next overview with hard numbers where more then 74% of developers are working on FiS in which case I'll gracefully apologize for calling your statement a lie.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#389 - 2011-09-24 13:30:11 UTC
there is an expression taht suits this situation

'shite or get off the pot'

so do somthing other than talk, or **** off

OMG when can i get a pic here
Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#390 - 2011-09-24 13:39:54 UTC
Zulu, reading over your posts over the years, I have to ask a quick question about the interview you took to get this job:

Did you swallow?

(As for those praising him, I'd ask the same question but the answer is obvious.)

This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.

Someday, this signature may save my life.
Hakuja
White Snake Inc.
#391 - 2011-09-24 14:09:43 UTC
Watch this space.

Btw, if "rabble brigade" means "players who don't want to see EVE ruined", I'm proud of being part of it.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#392 - 2011-09-24 14:30:07 UTC
I'm so happy to know that we've been classed as a "rabble brigade" - if you'd like us to **** off, just say so and we can stop wasting time with this boneheaded excuse of a company. As for this devblog, to paraphrase your own CEO...

Quote:
I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what it says.

Glory

Faded Light is recruiting
Darth Sith
Genbuku.
Psycho Unicorn Squad
#393 - 2011-09-24 14:33:42 UTC
CCP Zulu wrote:
Oh, and to the rabble brigade:

It's spaceships.

Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.



Who ever taught this guy PR .. FAIL!

Seriously, this guy screws up time after time and has the social skills of a cockroach. Why does he still have his job?
Darth Sith
Genbuku.
Psycho Unicorn Squad
#394 - 2011-09-24 14:36:39 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
CCP Zulu does not need me having his back but I thought I would like to chime in on behalf of Community.

We know how passionate you all are about EVE and I promise that we are working towards delivering top notch FiS content over the coming months.

Spaceships are all the rage right now, seriously, watch this space.

Fake edit - No, this is not the next '18 months' but a promise to you that we are going to deliver cool stuff Smile



OK, in one post, Navigator has said more, and shown more respect to the community then has oozed from Zulu since I can remember.

I vote that Navigator get Zulu's job.... In an instant, CCP would gain a lot of credibility back in my eyes.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#395 - 2011-09-24 15:19:40 UTC
CCP Zulu wrote:
Oh, and to the rabble brigade:

It's spaceships.

Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.



you should try saying that then. your blog was poor and tbqh thats giving it too much credit.

what ever you plan to do next, please do not do a half arsed rush job like teh last 2 years worth of crap you have pumped out.

i have 7 accounts and i reserve the the right to call you out on delivering shite while they are still active.
rabble rabble

OMG when can i get a pic here
Dodgy Past
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#396 - 2011-09-24 16:46:32 UTC
CCP Zulu wrote:
Oh, and to the rabble brigade:

It's spaceships.

Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.

So we can take this as a commitment that there will be more people working on FiS than worked on Apocrypha, otherwise the so called rabble brigade would have some justification in their opinions and you wouldn't have the gumption to follow up lying to them with an insult.
Captain Hindsite
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#397 - 2011-09-24 17:40:43 UTC
CCP Zulu wrote:
Oh, and to the rabble brigade:

It's spaceships.

Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.


So you're basically just a man-child, is that it? Grow up. Do your job. And take a class in customer service, ffs. Here's a hint - being a douche to your customers is counter-productive.

Plain-speaking is what is required at this point in time. Not your childish attempts at being an internet coolguy.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#398 - 2011-09-24 17:51:11 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
CCP Zulu wrote:
Watch this space.


That space there ^ ? Or the devblog itself? Or this thread as a whole? Or just space in EVE in general?

I'm so confused - and yet my interest is piqued.



Iirc he said the same thing a few days ago in just another "fix gallente, fix hybrids" thread....so maybe he wants to hint that the upcoming changes will make 25% of the ships (all gallente) viable again?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#399 - 2011-09-24 17:59:18 UTC
CCP Fallout wrote:
The latest dev blog from CCP Zulu gives us a heads up on some exciting things coming to EVE Online.


As a Corporate Lawyer, I applaud and approve of your new Dev blog. You have leveraged existing strengths with bold new initiatives to create synergies that will lead to positive future developments and additional growth for all stakeholders.

As an EVE player, I want some fuking substance, bro.

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#400 - 2011-09-24 18:00:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Steph Wing wrote:
black cree wrote:
We are put in a position of weakness where we are the one expecting when the magical anticrap patch will be deployed.


I disagree; the EVE community is in a position of strength.

I say this because if CCP fails to convince the community, then we know where the unsub button is. Mittens called it a blunt instrument, and that it is, but that blunt instrument wields the ultimate authority here.


Excellent statement! In the old days, alot of what happened wasn't features, but improvements. Trinity expansion says it all. T2 and T3 ships in the newer. They didnt give something new all together, but something that people already loved doing but more advanced. Wormholes, again in the newer days, offered a new style of exploration and industry offering null security risk for the smaller guys, though it does have its problems.

Last couple expansions, ccp did what they themselves only wanted, not what the majority of people have asked for and now with incarna, they have gone woah. Incarna is a bit of an issue on our side. The NeX, well we got heard, but the CQ I will say was the majority of the player base. People were asking for in stations and this wasn't a lauded half given result. CCP told us from day one on it that it was going to be mainly features to help new players and only a quarters as they get it working right and the rest would be the generic soontm.

But it can become a prime example of what ccp has done wrong and broken eve still. Like I said previously, ccp has a habit of doing the "this is cool!" "yay faction warfare" then abandoning it. CQ, they need to remember what they said, this is the first bit. They shouldn't stop expanding it for us until we get what was offered. Down with Soon tm.

As players we need to tell ccp what we like doing that is incomplete. I don't care, and am pretty sure most players don't care about stuff that doesn't exist. We want what we have to be made better. As the consumer, the trolling doesn't do it, we need to make CCP sit down and make a list of every idea they have and have had. EVERY IDEA. Then just start saying "F**K this one, cause players havent asked for it." They need to put a check mark beside everything that players bring up and then go "oh S**T we dropped the ball" when they can actually see the issues that players care about.

They have made that comment about what players do and not say. Well, they need to go back to it, what do players actually do? Make what we already do better and will get more players.

Sometimes the Eve dev process makes me think of simpons and the car "THE HOMER"

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.