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Service to change Character Names

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Asudem
Black Spear.
#1 - 2012-03-22 16:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Asudem
Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE

Needed for changing
* 200 mil ISK cost or 10 mil per letter to change
* Possible only once per year (like the attribute remapping)
* Security Standing of 5.
* Characters on subscripted accounts only

Only on stations of one of the empire factions in H- and LSec.

Added to this idea:
* Public viewable name history.

A nice to have feature for more customization as long as the desired name is possible. Open for discussion
Qen Tye
In Between
#2 - 2012-03-22 16:07:34 UTC
/signed

Have been thinking of this myself as most other online games offers the service (not saying just because others offers it, why not just duplicate).

I would not make use of the service myself as I usually think about the names for my toons.

Unless it somehow would interfere with bounties, nullifying it or impacts in any other way, I cannot see why not.

Could make it part of the plex / aur programme even ?

Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

  • Arthur C. Clarke
MushroomMushroom
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-22 16:35:26 UTC
Are you insane? Our name is most of our identity in Eve. This service would be exploited like crazy by every scammer, corp thief and aspiring spy in the game. Maybe if there were some safeguards like a publicly viewable naming history there would be a plausible argument for this, but without at least that, NO WAY IN HELL.

Also, the arbitrary 5.0 security status thing makes no sense, security status damaging activity is one of the things that does not create a bad reputation amongst players.
Asudem
Black Spear.
#4 - 2012-03-22 17:21:40 UTC
MushroomMushroom wrote:
Are you insane? Our name is most of our identity in Eve. This service would be exploited like crazy by every scammer, corp thief and aspiring spy in the game. Maybe if there were some safeguards like a publicly viewable naming history there would be a plausible argument for this, but without at least that, NO WAY IN HELL.


Added the naming history point.

I agree to the identity, but identities can change while the player and his/her character grows and so. And since links in EVE wouldnt become invalid through the change and names would be updated in histories, lists ect. I dont see what why corp thiefes and spies would have it easier to do their thing. Besides, if you are dumb enough to let someone scam you, you deserve it and the name changing feature wouldnt change a bit on that fact. Besides, you could change your name just once per year, so there is enough time to get used to it. The history was a good point, but the rest is nonsense to me.


MushroomMushroom wrote:
Also, the arbitrary 5.0 security status thing makes no sense, security status damaging activity is one of the things that does not create a bad reputation amongst players.


Not supposed to be. Criminals shall not rename themselfes, thats the only reason for the sec status requirement.
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#5 - 2012-03-22 18:27:45 UTC
No. Please search the forums before posting repeats. This has been suggested several times, and if you would like to see why, read all the other posts about it.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#6 - 2012-03-22 21:45:37 UTC
Asudem wrote:
Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE

Needed for changing
* 200 mil ISK cost or 10 mil per letter to change
* Possible only once per year (like the attribute remapping)
* Security Standing of 5.
* Characters on subscripted accounts only

Only on stations of one of the empire factions in H- and LSec.

Added to this idea:
* Public viewable name history.

A nice to have feature for more customization as long as the desired name is possible. Open for discussion


CCP has already said, many times, that they have no intention of allowing people to rename their characters -- there's just too much potential for 'character recycling' via the Bazaar, and our block lists would become useless.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#7 - 2012-03-23 01:03:12 UTC
Maybe each character has an ID, so you could change your name, but not your ID. Thus preventing naming scams.

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Solid Rock
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-29 20:01:16 UTC
I for one would welcome an opportunity to change my character name, it has been 8 years since i made this character and i havent gone by Solid Rock in most other setings for the past 6 of those. It is also worth noting that i was only 15 years old at the time, and as i have become older and more mature i worry that the rather silly name may prevent me from being taken seriously. Yet i do no want to loose 8 years worth of game progress for the sake of a name either

There a plenty of ways to safeguard a system like this against abuse, making it a paid service akin to the old portrait transfers will discourage most casual abuse and adding, as was already sugested by the OP, a 12 month cooldown will make it rather useless as a means of getting away with all but the longest cons. At any rate, i believe that the notion that you could disapear completely simply by virtue of a changed name is shaky at best. If you are worth hunting down someone will enivitably put two and two together or your friends will rat you out at the promise of riches or the threat of a 1400 mm canon up their auxiliary exaust port. The potential for abuse is limited at best if implemented properly, i would even say that the security status requirement is a bit much

As for block lists, i am certain the game already tracks characters by ID codes rather than names within the games internal logic. It is not a huge stretch to imagine that block's could be made to stick regardless of names.
Asudem
Black Spear.
#9 - 2012-03-30 02:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Asudem
Astrid Stjerna wrote:

CCP has already said, many times, that they have no intention of allowing people to rename their characters -- there's just too much potential for 'character recycling' via the Bazaar, and our block lists would become useless.


If they are afraid about character recycling on the bazaar, why they have the character bazaar at all? The bazaar itself is the place where characters get recycled, a service to change the name wouldnt make a difference. Or maybe changing the name would even reduce the use of the Bazaar, since old players would rather just change their name instead of starting from the beginning again to achieve their new "identity" in New Eden.

And the ID stuff is just how every database works. EVE ones is absolutly no exception. So the character name is just a value in the database and can easily be changed like any other information in your characters database entry. This means if you link for example "Asudem" in a chat and I would rename myself into "WantToF*** ReallyHard", the link in the chat would still link to my characters profile and you would notice that I changed my name. Its the same for EVEMails, Notices or whatever. Also if you would have my API key or vCode, your third party tool would update the name. Its just how DBs work. Otherwise CCP wouldnt change names that violates the EULA, but rather just banhammer those characters because it would mess with the DB.
Qen Tye
In Between
#10 - 2012-03-30 05:44:21 UTC
As OP wrote each account have an ID which authenticates your account and password when logging in. That ID also contains all 3 chars you have on said ID. Changing name is nothing more than renaming a file. So there is nothing to be afraid of. The bazaar is worse as I see it since you just biomass one of your own and buy new one.

Other games have it and it works well. Just a question to do it right.

Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

  • Arthur C. Clarke
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#11 - 2012-03-30 09:32:07 UTC
So now you expect everybody to trawl through your past aliases to see if you're name is one they recognise for being a scammer / corp thief / greifer etc?

You make your bed, so lie in it, it's a name ffs.
If the fact that you no longer like your chosen name is that much of a game breaker, then I suggest that eve isn't the game for you, there's far more things to get upset about than your name.

There's been so many threads about this in the past, and it's never been taken up by CCP, and I hope it never does, your name is your reputation, get known as a scammer, griefer etc, and you've got 2 choices, put up with it (hey, you chose your actions), or Sell/Biomass the char and start again.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#12 - 2012-03-30 11:35:45 UTC
Asudem wrote:
Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE



I can ride a bycicle in real life, does not been it would be a benefit or have any place in Eve.

Names are your reputation.... reputation is everything in Eve.

No to namechanges.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Qen Tye
In Between
#13 - 2012-03-30 12:19:57 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Asudem wrote:
Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE



I can ride a bycicle in real life, does not been it would be a benefit or have any place in Eve.

Names are your reputation.... reputation is everything in Eve.

No to namechanges.

That argument does not hold.

I can sell my char legally on the bazaar and buy new one. I cannot do that in real life.

I really fail to see why there is so much resistance against this - seriously. Scammers use the bazaar.

I interviewed a bloke last night as he wanted to join our corp. We talk in team speak where the alliance directior also was present. His voice was recognised right away + his api and key looked fishy. Turns out he had been kicked from the alliance before and was trying to enter again with a new bought toon from the bazaar.

Why so much resistance against a name change when you basically can do it through bazaar already ?

Your arguments does not hold water imho.

Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

  • Arthur C. Clarke
Asudem
Black Spear.
#14 - 2012-03-30 15:31:52 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:

I can ride a bycicle in real life, does not been it would be a benefit or have any place in Eve.

Names are your reputation.... reputation is everything in Eve.

No to namechanges.


Reputation is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.... Your reputation can change so quickly so easily, it wont matter. Know those guys who killed their own corp members for profit in Gallente space? No? Forgotten in less than 3 months! I just remember one because I have him/her in my contact list with a note in his/her profile that I will kill him/her. Otherwise I would had forgot him/her a long time ago. So much for reputation. Exceptions of this are ppl like chribba or alliances like Rooks and Kings. But that is really rare. So giving a name some reputation will only last until you forget about it - I bet its even less than a month, most ppl forget even in 2 weeks or less. Only killmales and your corp history show you quite some story and there is the story you can tell with your character, but therefore a name is just smoke and mirrors as well.

Just a side note: CCP mentioned in their 2h+ presentation of the fanfest that they plan to advance the customization of your avatar, if Im not mistaken. This idea is basicly one step in that direction + it provides some ISK sink and since it is limited to those with a good sec status for example, suicide ganker maybe will never be able to change. While thinking about the last point, is it that why you are so obsessed about it? Just wondering.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#15 - 2012-03-30 16:03:41 UTC
Asudem wrote:

If they are afraid about character recycling on the bazaar, why they have the character bazaar at all? The bazaar itself is the place where characters get recycled, a service to change the name wouldnt make a difference. Or maybe changing the name would even reduce the use of the Bazaar, since old players would rather just change their name instead of starting from the beginning again to achieve their new "identity" in New Eden.


Changing the name of an established character opens a whole new set of problems -- a player that chooses to harass another, and gets on their victim's block list, would just be able to change their name and go around the block. Unrepentant scammers would just be able to change their names and escape the consequinces of their actions.

CCP said a while back that they don't want to give players a way to 'escape' from the results of their character's choices. If you have a bounty on your head, you'll have to deal with it. If you've pis**ed off someone's entire corporation, then you're really up the creek, but -- too bad -- the end result is yours to deal with.

In the offline world, a criminal's name is plastered across the news. He can call himself 'Bob' all he wants, but if someone recognizes him as 'Fred the Escaped Convict', he's going to go back to jail. It's the same thing in EvE -- you can't just walk away from your past like nothing ever happened.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Asudem
Black Spear.
#16 - 2012-03-30 16:30:57 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:

Changing the name of an established character opens a whole new set of problems -- a player that chooses to harass another, and gets on their victim's block list, would just be able to change their name and go around the block. Unrepentant scammers would just be able to change their names and escape the consequinces of their actions.


It wont happen, because a database works with IDs and if you change your name you dont change your ID so basicly links, contact lists, KMs ect. would be untouched by the change of that persons name and so personal notices, bounty ect. wouldnt be affected too. And since you can change only ONCE PER YEAR, you have enough time to track someone down.


Astrid Stjerna wrote:
CCP said a while back that they don't want to give players a way to 'escape' from the results of their character's choices. If you have a bounty on your head, you'll have to deal with it. If you've pis**ed off someone's entire corporation, then you're really up the creek, but -- too bad -- the end result is yours to deal with.


Do they actually play EVE? Im not sure, but I think it is quite easy to escape someones wrath since EVE is a huge universe and if you arent a dumbass you will survive in it regardless who is hunting you down. At least as a single person. If you mess up in Amarr space, just move to Gallente space and start anew.


Astrid Stjerna wrote:
In the offline world, a criminal's name is plastered across the news. He can call himself 'Bob' all he wants, but if someone recognizes him as 'Fred the Escaped Convict', he's going to go back to jail. It's the same thing in EvE -- you can't just walk away from your past like nothing ever happened.


It is not what I wanted to do with this idea. It is more like an additional way of personalisation since you grow with your character and like Solid Rock you become more mature and your name sounds too childish and you dont want to throw away years of progress - which would eradicate a part of EVEs history in fact. As for me, I am wandet to change my name a little bit to bring it on a level with my non-EVE-project, but I put so much work into this character, I cannot allow myself to throw that away. Even if Im bad in PVP, I gathered alot of experiences in that time and I want to keep that history up - I might just rename once in my whole career on this toon. Maybe Im an Autist, but thats a different story.
Iman Atheist
Society of Shadow
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2012-03-30 16:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Iman Atheist
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Maybe each character has an ID, so you could change your name, but not your ID. Thus preventing naming scams.

THIS

Also, Solid Rock - post #8 - is completely right. That's my opinion exactly.

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I, for one, would gladly pay as much as 20-30 $ just to change my char's name.

For example, I'm happy with the meaning of my name, but after using voice chat I found that it sounds terrible when people pronounce it. There are 3-4 ways to do it, all of which sound lame... So yeah, it'd be worth money for me to change it.
Solid Rock
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-03-31 19:50:38 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
[quote=Asudem]In the offline world, a criminal's name is plastered across the news. He can call himself 'Bob' all he wants, but if someone recognizes him as 'Fred the Escaped Convict', he's going to go back to jail. It's the same thing in EvE -- you can't just walk away from your past like nothing ever happened.


And this is ofcourse why witness protection programs never work and criminals on the run are always caught. Because humans are completely impossible to fool and everyone has an eidetic memory for faces.

Regardless of the myriad ways in which a feature such as this is perceivably open to abuse i have yet to hear one that is still a credible threat to the games integrity assuming a 12 month cooldown. How often do you reckon the average EVE criminal finds himself up **** creek? How many EVE players do you know of who are entirely solitary? The name is only a superficial part of a character and, as i have sated earlier, if someone wants you found it will require quite a bit more than a simple name change to stay hidden. You might get a few days or even a week or two in the clear before you are right back where you started, unless you are willing to cut all ties with your friends and start over completely. People who are willing to go this far are probably already doing so using new characters bought from the bazaar.
Qen Tye
In Between
#19 - 2012-03-31 20:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Qen Tye
Spot on Solid Rock and Asudem.

Seriously - this is not rocket science but more a question of willing than anything else as I read the posts.

Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

  • Arthur C. Clarke
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-04-01 04:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Asudem wrote:
Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE

Needed for changing
* 200 mil ISK cost or 10 mil per letter to change
* Possible only once per year (like the attribute remapping)
* Security Standing of 5.
* Characters on subscripted accounts only

Only on stations of one of the empire factions in H- and LSec.

Added to this idea:
* Public viewable name history.

A nice to have feature for more customization as long as the desired name is possible. Open for discussion



No. In a sand box game like eve your name is your identity and is tied to a history of acts that effect you player to player reputation. I believe you should never be able to change a name once it's penned. Especially since the sale of a character could depend on that character rep.. actions in eve should have consequences - not all based on game mechanics.

I really don't like the idea of having to sift through mountains of alis' to determine if any player is someone I need to avoid allowing into my corp.

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