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CCP fix this exploit immediately!!
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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#41 - 2012-03-22 01:44:51 UTC
Cloora wrote:

Oh but if Goons were denyed the KM and the loot it matters all of a sudden? Just like losing a JF full of Zydrine and Megacyte to webbing Vindis only matter if Goons lose it? This is T20 all over again...


And this surprises you because?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-03-22 01:47:02 UTC
Cloora wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
Thomas Abernathy wrote:
Sorry, have to +1 this. Self-destructing while aggressed should not be possible in the Cold harsh sandbox that is EVE.....


I don't think you understand what "cold, harsh" means. Here's a hint: if you didn't bring enough ships to do the job properly, CCP isn't going to hold your hand and make it all better. Yeah, it sucks that you didn't get the killmail, but that's EVE. If you REALLY want that kill mail, then bring enough of the right ships to do the job.



To kill a tanked Titan in 2 minutes how many hundreds of thousands DPS do I need?

So don't whine about all of PL/NC./Raiden supers because in your opinion that's what is needed to get that KM.

Dumb goons are dumb


titans are known for starting a self destruct the second they get primaried

dumb pubbies are dumb lma0

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-03-22 01:48:04 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T35cYQWazPg

here's where we almost killed a raiden nyx who self destructed

we laughed because he cares that much about his KB stats

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#44 - 2012-03-22 01:49:41 UTC
OP, are you semi ranting about the recently declared web exploit, doing so in such a manner than everyone is lost and thinks you are seriously bringing up an old topic of pointlessnes?

Or am I just a little high on my pain meds...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2012-03-22 02:31:28 UTC
Andski wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T35cYQWazPg

here's where we almost killed a raiden nyx who self destructed

we laughed because he cares that much about his KB stats

Ooh, self destructing supercaps.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Maxwell Thomas
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#46 - 2012-03-22 03:01:33 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
OP, are you semi ranting about the recently declared web exploit, doing so in such a manner than everyone is lost and thinks you are seriously bringing up an old topic of pointlessnes?

Or am I just a little high on my pain meds...



She is indeed doing so. She is pointing out that Goons cannot adapt. Instead they die and then whine until thier mates in CSM and Devs that are also Goons change the mechanics that made them die.

Wow all you people are dense.

She is totally right.

I mean even FW was able to adapt and kill a titan. Goons cant take a JF loss without batphoning CCP devs until they change it.

Also the OP is legit.

Self Destructing while agressed it punishing the people that put forth the effort to make the tackle/kill in the first place.

CCP should not neglect the PVP lifestyle. All you Goon sympathizers are the ones that need to adapt or die.

OP is 100% right

+1

All you people that SD are cowards and can't take a loss like a man.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-03-22 03:24:17 UTC
Cloora wrote:
Lol you totally don't get it do you? The OP was in response to Goons whining they lost a JF to the web trick.

They need T2 tissue, and you need to keep up with the current whines.




I want to know moar about this. If it's not an exploit than why shouldn't everyone profit?

Me wants SD timer 100% reduced, inflict dmg al around my ship explosion for an area and dmg values depending on the ship size and cargo.

CCP you can contact me for this, it will not cost that much ( a few thousands of euros that you don't even care anyway) and I've got a plan Lol
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-03-22 03:47:57 UTC
Borun Tal wrote:
Cloora wrote:
Even though it has been in the game at least as long as me, it has now cost people some very expensive killmails. PL lost two super carrier killmails because of Self Destructing while being aggressed. Denying killmails is an unintended effect of using self destruct. I too lost an expensive Tengu killmail to this exploit.

Anyone doing this should be banned immediately.


You're whining because you didn't get a killmail? Really? Seriously?

WOW is that way... ---->


Killmails in WOW...?

Counterstrike is that way... ---->

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#49 - 2012-03-22 04:31:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorn Galen
This is just awesome!!
I never expected to start my day with such incredibly tasty tears. This thread is full of them!!
Best tears are KM hoar tears. By far.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2012-03-22 04:42:00 UTC
Maxwell Thomas wrote:
All you people that SD are cowards and can't take a loss like a man.

Andski wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T35cYQWazPg

here's where we almost killed a raiden nyx who self destructed

we laughed because he cares that much about his KB stats

You keep some great friends PL

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-03-22 12:36:58 UTC
iownuall123 wrote:
OP is an idiot, this isn't an exploit nor should it be a bannable offense, but this is still an issue that should be addressed. Now that CCP has instituted PvP aggression timers so people can't log off their account while engaged in PvP, it should also be made so that you cannot Self-Destruct a ship that you're currently piloting if you are under the same aggression timer. Whether you want to look at it as catering to people whining about losing killmails is your choice, this would still make sense. It would even make more sense in a RP situation, if you were a captain of a ship wouldn't you rather die trying to cause damage to your enemies instead of taking the cowards way out? That is my 2 isk on this game mechanic anyways.

1. Ship wasn't able to win, it logs off and dissappers in 15 minutes because you can't crack its tank.

1. Ship was able to fight another day, since it got away. Reusable, cause it was riskless.

2. Ship now isn't able to win, it logs off and dies in X minutes because you can crack its tank.

2. Ship is dead

3. Self Destruct, ship is dead.

3. Where did it go ? Shocked didn't get away, but you still lacked the DPS to crack its tank.

Opps sorry I ruined your ability to try logic Oops, please try again. And video game has nothing to do cowards way out, its to **** off the other guy cause he wasn't able to get anything, just as much as you were going to **** the pilot off by taking his ship from him to jerk off gloat with.

Only real change that needs to be done, is Player A shoots Player B in carrier, Player B self destructs. Player A recieves killmail showing Player A lost a carrier Twisted. Player A did in fact lose a carrier they were unable to kill, so they in fact deserve to have their precious isk effiency game score screwed over (Player A had 10 billion isk destroyed, now shows 9 billion isk Lol). That would be an incentive to not engage something you can't kill in two minutes.
rofflesausage
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-03-22 12:46:33 UTC
Cloora wrote:

Anyone doing this should be banned immediately.


3 pages already?

7/10 sir, great effort.
Adunh Slavy
#53 - 2012-03-22 12:47:52 UTC
Do away with kill mails. This will fix the "exploit", plus PVP might mean something other than some stupid numbers

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killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-03-22 13:11:40 UTC
if a ship is going to die regardless the pilot should have the right to self destruct you may lose the kill mail but at least you get the loot right?

what will be next? not being able to eject your pod under aggression?

i should point out how ever that the self destruct timers need to be looked at, larger ships should need more time to self destruct or something

self destruct should and always will be a last card to play of any pilot

:)
Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#55 - 2012-03-22 13:27:51 UTC
The goal was: to harm you enemy, right? You enemy lost a ship, maybe you gained some loot -> mission accomplished. The killmail is just the cherry on the cake.

I understand, that you want "the proof" of your susccess, but ... do you really *need* it?
Naga Elohim
Aeras Krekan Syndicate
#56 - 2012-03-22 15:31:52 UTC
It takes 2 minutes to self destruct. If you cannot kill your target within 2 minutes, you don't deserve the glory of a kill mail.

Kill them faster?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#57 - 2012-03-22 17:06:45 UTC
CCP stated earlier in the fanfest stream today that self-destruct will result in a kill mail. Listen to the "15:00 Crucible Roundup" when it rolls around again later tonight.

http://fanfest.eveonline.com/en/events/evetvschedule
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-03-22 17:11:20 UTC
Cloora wrote:
it has now cost people some very expensive killmails. PL lost two super carrier killmails because of Self Destructing while being aggressed. Denying killmails is an unintended effect of using self destruct. I too lost an expensive Tengu killmail to this exploit.

Anyone doing this should be banned immediately.


Wait ... killmails can be sold now or since when do they have a price value? Shocked Seems the cost is high in tears that you spill for not getting one Lol
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-03-22 17:14:02 UTC
well you got a self destruct option in ship. The issue is that CCP forgot to implement for this issue. However, in the stream of fanfest, CCP has actually said today that its in the workings so that the killboard shows properly. Its one of the many isssue that are present in killboards.
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#60 - 2012-03-22 17:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Bubanni
Killmails should still be generated, doesn't matter if all the items inside get destroyed... but heres my suggestion...

Make killmail give final blow to the guy who self destructed :) as he did the final blow... and make the self destruct simply do damage = to remaining hp :) that will produce a killmail clearly stating all items drop were destroyed, and that pilot killed himself

but... I will say that if a ship is self destructed it should not pay out insurance (and killmail wise, it's up to the pilot or his alliance if api is shared... if killmail should be public)

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