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School-bus sized satellite will crash on earth. Today.
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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#1 - 2011-09-23 12:52:59 UTC
5-ton school-bus sized metal thingy is going to fall on earth somewhere, sometime today.

It can fall anywhere that is NOT the USA. For a change... i suppose...



Don't leave home.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-09-23 12:58:33 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
5-ton school-bus sized metal thingy is going to fall on earth somewhere, sometime today.

It can fall anywhere that is NOT the USA. For a change... i suppose...



Don't leave home.

Its orbital track around the time of it decelerating enough to come down won't be anywhere near North America. Also, chances are it hits somewhere over water, or an uninhabited area. Not to mention it will break up on re-entry and mostly burn up.

Way to take stuff out of context there.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#3 - 2011-09-23 13:08:42 UTC
I keep thinking about 'The Blob'
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#4 - 2011-09-23 13:11:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Zagam wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
5-ton school-bus sized metal thingy is going to fall on earth somewhere, sometime today.

It can fall anywhere that is NOT the USA. For a change... i suppose...



Don't leave home.

Its orbital track around the time of it decelerating enough to come down won't be anywhere near North America. Also, chances are it hits somewhere over water, or an uninhabited area. Not to mention it will break up on re-entry and mostly burn up.

Way to take stuff out of context there.



You.... serious.. man.

Louis deGuerre wrote:
I keep thinking about 'The Blob'


**** dude people are terrorized and you're not doing anyone any favours!

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Zey Nadar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-09-23 13:18:28 UTC
Zagam wrote:
[quote=Renan Ruivo]
Way to take stuff out of context there.


Chance of around 1000kg of debris (which is small part of its total mass) hitting a populated area does exist. Since NASA cant seem to be able to calculate where it will land.
BLACK-STAR
#6 - 2011-09-23 13:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: BLACK-STAR
Locals report there was a single large meteor strike in Colorado during the afternoon, 0330 on September 22.

School bus sized rocks are nothing to be scared about...

I'm more concerned with YU55 that makes narrow misses with us, if it hit it would kill us all. Luckily, it just missed us passing through 2-weeks ago on November 8th as it made an approach and missed.




From July 31st to today, there is an ongoing warning of OD18 impacting (Analysis based on 10 observations), this wouldn't be tomorrow but sometime in October or later this year, but its coming up quick. OD18 was 0.4 AU from Earth last time it passed us, last month of August 2011.

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Near (possible) miss satellites scheduled:

SR25
The 150-340 metre wide asteroid 2011 SR25 will make a close pass (75.8 lunar distances, 0.1947 AU), travelling at 15.54 km/second, to the Earth-Moon system on the 27th September, 2011 @ 20:45 UT ±05:05.

SN25
The 14-31 metre wide asteroid 2011 SN25 will make a close pass (13.3 lunar distances, 0.0342 AU), travelling at 9.12 km/second, to the Earth-Moon system on the 30th September, 2011 @ 16:10 UT ±00:14.

SF25
The 170-390 metre wide asteroid 2011 SF25 will make a close pass (56.1 lunar distances, 0.1443 AU), travelling at 10.44 km/second, to the Earth-Moon system on the 1st October, 2011 @ 22:04 UT ±00:29.

SC25
The 28-62 metre wide asteroid 2011 SC25 will make a close pass (38.4 lunar distances, 0.0986 AU), travelling at 8.96 km/second, to the Earth-Moon system on the 4th October, 2011 @ 20:52 UT ±00:25.

SS25
The 710-1600 metre wide asteroid 2011 SS25 will make a close pass (70.2 lunar distances, 0.1803 AU), travelling at 29.90 km/second, to the Earth-Moon system on the 13th October, 2011 @ 03:30 UT ±21:02.

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Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-09-23 13:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagam
Zey Nadar wrote:
Zagam wrote:
[quote=Renan Ruivo]
Way to take stuff out of context there.


Chance of around 1000kg of debris (which is small part of its total mass) hitting a populated area does exist. Since NASA cant seem to be able to calculate where it will land.


There is also a chance of frogs raining from the sky and my cat learning Spanish and writing a short novel. That doesn't mean its likely to happen.

NASA, before they refined the orbit and such, said the chances of the satellite remnants hitting a populated area is like 1 in 3400. The chances of it actually hurting a person are infitesmally smaller. Like "you have more of a chance of getting into a car accident on the way to work" smaller.

Oh, and I'm so serious because it is a pet peeve of mine when people take stuff out of context to sow panic and disorder (even if unintentional)
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-09-23 15:52:42 UTC
Zagam wrote:
Zey Nadar wrote:
Zagam wrote:
[quote=Renan Ruivo]
Way to take stuff out of context there.


Chance of around 1000kg of debris (which is small part of its total mass) hitting a populated area does exist. Since NASA cant seem to be able to calculate where it will land.


There is also a chance of frogs raining from the sky and my cat learning Spanish and writing a short novel. That doesn't mean its likely to happen.

NASA, before they refined the orbit and such, said the chances of the satellite remnants hitting a populated area is like 1 in 3400. The chances of it actually hurting a person are infitesmally smaller. Like "you have more of a chance of getting into a car accident on the way to work" smaller.

Oh, and I'm so serious because it is a pet peeve of mine when people take stuff out of context to sow panic and disorder (even if unintentional)


Please note that I do agree with you but allot of dense populated area's are in the danger zone. The chances that it will hit you are slim... however the chance that it will kill someone is not that slim. It all depends if it hit a city or not. See it as a lightning storm above a city or something. Chances are that someone will get hit but probably nothing bad will happen.

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Sugilite
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-09-23 16:18:42 UTC
I'm going to stand outside with a baseball glove.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#10 - 2011-09-23 21:42:42 UTC
Zagam wrote:
Not to mention it will break up on re-entry and mostly burn up.


That's actually worse, since most satellites, especially the older ones like this one, are powered by a few kilograms of radioactive materials like uranium. If one were to burn up on reentry it would shower a large area with isotopes. And there's thousands of the damned things up there. Shocked

Gotta love how shortsighted we are as a race.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
#11 - 2011-09-23 22:44:42 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Zagam wrote:
Not to mention it will break up on re-entry and mostly burn up.


That's actually worse, since most satellites, especially the older ones like this one, are powered by a few kilograms of radioactive materials like uranium. If one were to burn up on reentry it would shower a large area with isotopes. And there's thousands of the damned things up there. Shocked

Gotta love how shortsighted we are as a race.


uh, no, they're not. Some have been, but radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) are used mainly in deep space missions because solar panels kinda suck when the sun isn't that bright. moreover, decades of work have gone into ensuring that radioactive material contained within can't be dispersed into the atmosphere if something bad happens.

they're awesome for deep space exploration. The ones on the Voyager probes have been going for nearly 35 years straight
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#12 - 2011-09-24 01:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Chaos Incarnate wrote:
uh, no, they're not. Some have been, but radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) are used mainly in deep space missions because solar panels kinda suck when the sun isn't that bright. moreover, decades of work have gone into ensuring that radioactive material contained within can't be dispersed into the atmosphere if something bad happens.

they're awesome for deep space exploration. The ones on the Voyager probes have been going for nearly 35 years straight


We started launching satellites back in the 50's, when solar technology didn't exist. And back then it was uranium or nothing. Even now it's seen as a better fuel source because solar panels have to keep facing the sun, and need to go for periods of time without drawing any energy. Who wouldn't prefer a self contained fuel source that lasted incredibly long?

There's no regulation at all, and no reason to stop using radioactive materials.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#13 - 2011-09-24 06:32:01 UTC
THE END IS NIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-09-24 07:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Bane Necran wrote:
Chaos Incarnate wrote:
uh, no, they're not. Some have been, but radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) are used mainly in deep space missions because solar panels kinda suck when the sun isn't that bright. moreover, decades of work have gone into ensuring that radioactive material contained within can't be dispersed into the atmosphere if something bad happens.

they're awesome for deep space exploration. The ones on the Voyager probes have been going for nearly 35 years straight


We started launching satellites back in the 50's, when solar technology didn't exist. And back then it was uranium or nothing. Even now it's seen as a better fuel source because solar panels have to keep facing the sun, and need to go for periods of time without drawing any energy. Who wouldn't prefer a self contained fuel source that lasted incredibly long?

There's no regulation at all, and no reason to stop using radioactive materials.



actually not quite. sputnik was powered by regular batteries. think most of the 1st generation satellites were also powered by batteries, which were no more than just simple high-distance radios that transmitted blips and blops. the satellites sent to the moon (lunas and all that) were also solar-powered. Venera series were solar-powered. only satelites that used RTGs were the deep-space exploration ones. the more known ones are the pioneer 10 and 11 and voyager 1 and 2. Commercial satellites are also solar-powered. For near space operation (up to about Mars or so), solar-powered satellites are more than enough. They are usually constrained only by the fuel they carry.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2011-09-24 08:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
Grimpak wrote:

only satelites that used RTGs were the deep-space exploration ones. the more known ones are the pioneer 10 and 11 and voyager 1 and 2. Commercial satellites are also solar-powered. For near space operation (up to about Mars or so), solar-powered satellites are more than enough. They are usually constrained only by the fuel they carry.


I would say you are half-right. RTGs was not only used, as you say, on the Pioneer and Voyager probes but also on the the Cassini, Galileo, Ulysses and the New Horizon probes which are all deep space probes. Aside from the obvious advantage of using RTGs in satellites for military purposes like reconnaissance, it wouldn't surprise me if there were also civilian satellites with a RTG as a power plant.

But if I am not terribly mistaken, the experiments conducted on the Lunar surface by astronauts during the Apollo program were all powered by RTGs. And I know NASA's Mars Science Laboratory will be powered by a RTG.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-09-24 09:29:52 UTC
It landed.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Zey Nadar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-09-24 10:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Zey Nadar
Zagam wrote:

Oh, and I'm so serious because it is a pet peeve of mine when people take stuff out of context to sow panic and disorder (even if unintentional)


And its a pet peeve of mine when people round "very small" into "zero". It is true that the chance was infinitesimally small. For example, meteors been raining down on earth since the beginning of time, but afaik only one recorded case of meteorite hitting a person exists.

Anyway, it landed, somewhere, and the satellite didn't contain any harmful material. Thats what they said anyway.

ps. 0.4 au = 60 million km.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-09-24 22:57:22 UTC
Currently, the best guess is that it fell into Pacific Ocean.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#19 - 2011-09-25 00:30:23 UTC
never leave your ship near planets

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#20 - 2011-09-26 15:04:31 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
only satelites that used RTGs were the deep-space exploration ones. the more known ones are the pioneer 10 and 11 and voyager 1 and 2.


yes, voyager 1 and 2, with radioactives on board, and the coordinates to our planet in case aliens find it. Wouldnt it be a laugh if that one is the 1 in a million to hit an urban center?
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