EVE General Discussion

UO Volunteers did a lot of awesome work that helped increase game play and that elusive "immersion" factor. It was pretty sad that it got ruined for everyone, by a few, and took with it essentially the entire idea of volunteer 'work' in an online game for a very long time.

It's about time games get over their AoL lawsuit syndrome and get back to having 'working' volunteers, admittedly with limited powers, we're not talking about runaway GMs IG here for instance. Having feedback is always important but realizing there's going to be an adjustment period is as well.

Apparently CCP doesn't have to abide by its own forum and behavior rules, but doesn't mind banning anyone who skirts the edge mockingly.

I'm all for volunteers - . Of course there needs to be moderation but any volunteer who thinks they could get away with a power craze splurg would be bat **** crazy, they'd get eaten alive.

long live isd forum division, the more work they do the more other stuff the community team can spend their time on.

You say this like you haven't read the EULA or something...

CCP can say whatever they want on their forums. They may not get away with it and I'm sure some people get yelled at in the hallways at the office because of it, but in the end, they can do what they damn well please.

Also, i'm lazy, wtf is this video dramallama? can someone evemail it to me? Thanks in advance

A few things:


1) Please do not talk to your paying customers as if we were children. I appreciate the position that you are in, and the standards that you must maintain, but please do not act as a parent figure. We do not need that from an employee of the game that we subscribe to - by and large, we have those of our own!

2) I am a little concerned that you conflate voicing legitimate concern about an ISD member's activities with a 'bashing platform'. Naturally, we appreciate helpful individuals, but I believe that it is a mistake to automatically assume that someone who 'gives their free time to help everyone in help' is by default in the right and can do no wrong.

3) I always knew it would come to this one day. It is very similar in some ways to the privatisation of public sector services that many countries are now experiencing; by delegating power to these outsider groups (private companies, volunteers, whoever), the level of transparancy and accountability just got a little more opaque.

Thank you for your input.

I have no problem with CCP making/breaking their own rules. It's you I have a problem with when it comes to breaking rules.

A question is never missed being seen in Help, but sometimes just can't be answered, EVE being so ridiculously undocumented and complex. Unfortunately, pilots expect to always get immediate answers, which sometimes just flat can't happen, even if an ISD has been lurking around. Everyone in channel replying IDK is not going to help the flow. From what you wrote, I suspect this is the situation you encountered.

It would be helpful if more ISD's were available in the Help channel. If expectations were set that they were there to monitor behavior instead of being the bloody know-all encyclopedia of EVE maybe more hands would be available. Rarely have I seen the case where a question couldn't be quickly and correctly answered by non-ISD players in the channel. Heck there are a few frequent non-ISD players in channel that I would bet good isk know more than the Dev's about the game.

BTW, a few blocks pretty much clears out the remarks from the troublemakers. I try to field all the PI questions that come up., in many cases taking on side conversations to work the pilot in trouble through issues, so far with a good batting average. Besides learning from the flow of questions, short side conversations on other topics is the only reason I stay in channel. If that wasn't possible why would I stay around at all?