EVE General Discussion

Wait, purchase? Who said anything about purchase? It's a spaceship game, not an economics game. You can replace the Marketplace with a system of unlocking content through experience points.

I mean, paying for a spaceship game when you expect there to be some kind of economics system?

this.

Propaganda at its finest.

- Subscriptions lost were the result of Signature nerfs making null sec PvE alts obselete, add in some Sov changes that displaced a huge block of the EVE population.

- Layoffs were from debt restructuring in RL, our little monocle tantrum had nothing to do with it.

- Carbon based WoD died because the mechanics were liquid motion and an Avatar based game can't use the liquid motion technique EVE uses to move our ships. (Try turning in CQ you will see what I mean)

Nobody has asked CCP to drop Inferno in favor of CQ or WiS updates. CQ and WiS are actually going to be part of EVE once Dust comes on because it's all along the same line. Rather than have a WoD CQ/ WiS we will end up with a Dust CQ/ WiS though.

Goon Jr, pulls the same crap every time he replies. Stupid, dumb, idiot. I don't know if he works at a collection agency or what but his twisted idea that he needs to have everyone on the defencive, all the time gets really ******* old.

Probably the whole point of this game being, you know, in space. If we all were in stations, there would be no production, and there'd be no isk inserted in the markets, etc. Simply put, the game would die. The avatar-part of the game is just an extention, an extention that takes away from the true content - and frankly speaking, EVE launched in 2003 and the WiS-part launched in 2011. With no content, and still CCP don't even know how to deliver what was the early vision of it as well: social environment, bars, player/corp shops, etc.

The WiS part is just bling bling zero-content (without the social interaction), it bares no semblance or has nothing to do with the orignal and true content, it's actually counter-productive to both economy, industrialists, PvPers, etc.

Just stating facts here bro mate pal friend.

I like new people. They are so ... antagonistic and not in the nice, EVE sense of the word. More in the "**** you. I've played this game for 2 days and I know everything so STFU" sense.

Let me try to explain to you.

There are players who enjoy exactly what you are describing above. CCP has neglected that aspect of the game for a long time, while they focussed on whatever their heads dreamed up and in the end delivered Incarna, hinted at Microtransactions and bodged in that cramped little room we call Captains' Quarters. It was released hopelessly too soon and the years of neglect + that created a sour taste for a number of players. (You are encountering them in this thread)

Now CCP has a team called Team Avatar that is currently working on Walking in Stations (WiS) I linked you to the thread and asked you to read the dev posts so you can get up to speed with the status of things in EVE Online. You seem to have either ignored that or decided the word of CCP is not important in your little crusade here on the forums. If it helps, click on the Dev Post icon next to the thread. It will take you to the dev post. Clicking on that dev post icon will take you to the next one. This helps you skip through them and read the CCP content and will get you up to speed on their current position.

I am one of the people that believe WiS has a compelling reason to exist in EVE, like Dust 514 and others and that it has the strength to stand on its own, just like Dust 514. But it is an issue that has polarised the player base to a large degree.

While there are players that desire WiS, you can see our support in the thread I linked you to, my understanding is it is a backburner project at the moment. The recent CSM elections will hopefully see a candidate elected that will push for meaningful content for avatars and further exploration of that concept, but at the moment nobody on the forums really knows what is happening.

CCP has recently been working very hard on rebuilding their reputation, getting the FiS (Flying in Space) components and systems that have been broken for a long time fixed. It has been a slow process, but one they committed to after the number of **** ups from last year.

So what you are basically telling the people here is: "I want CCP to go back to focussing on WiS and forgetting about FiS" without knowing your history of the game and recent events. So I think you really, really need to slow down and learn a bit more about the history, events and current state of things because where I am sitting you are giving WiS a petulant, "I want it now because I said so!" taint.

I believe it is coming. Some patience might be necessary though, because Ambulation has been a topic since about 2006. ( I think )

I think you have misunderstood what my feelings here are. I by no means want CCP to sacrifice development on the core experience (The FiS aspect) to work on the WiS part. I've indicated this in this thread.

I thank you for posting the link to that thread, I have actually been reading it during this conversation. But I'm not the one being antagonistic, I'm defending my desires from people who think that no one can have an opinion on a game unless they have played it for a long time. This is why I've been asking people to explain how WiS actually detracts from the experience, because from what I can see here and in that thread, they can't back it up.




Here's a post from the first page, you might have missed it:

I'm going to start ignoring your comments. It is becoming clear to me that you aren't interested in legitimate discussion, rather you are offended that someone who is new to a game has wishes for the game. Come back when you are prepared to discuss the merits of WiS instead of calling a thread about how I love a game so far and want it to have an extra feature an "Emo thread".

PROTIP: You still haven't explained how avatars are mutually exclusive from spaceship games.

So your paying 15 dollars a month, almost entirely for a feature that is an extremely downgraded version of the sims?

You know, you can get the Sims 3 for like 10 dollars in some places now, and I'm sure you can mod it so it's all space themed, there might be an expansion for that but EA ***** them out every day so I don't keep track.

WiS was only meant to integrate EVE better with DUST. Speaking to someone represented by a face, is a lot easier to relate to than speaking to someone represented by a ship. In fact the old avatars were good enough, but would seem ridiculously out dated when compared to DUST or any game from the past 5 years for that matter. Development into WiS could of stopped at creating the current avatars and would be just fine for dealing with dustbunnies.

Plus WiS screwed me and my fellow lore enthusiast over big time. While capsuleers can exit their pods from time to time the experience was time consuming and rather excruciating. Most of the time if a capsuleer needed to speak with someone face to face they would be in an open pod but still hooked up to the entire thing. Like in this image from one of the chronicles

http://content.eveonline.com/www/chronicle/img/Xenocracy.jpg

Capsuleers would rarely need to do any personal walking around a station. Hell if you read the story, you can very well see that capsuleers DO NOT SCREW AROUND. Not only do they look like cold heartless intimidating machines, but they are cold heartless intimidating machines. People are going to be going to them but they go if they know what's good for them.

And this isn't some outdated piece of lore either. It was written around the time of the Tyrannis which was the planetary interaction update. Step 1 to DUST integration. At one point CCP apparently considered dust bunnies seeing us like that which I think would be A LOT cooler but no, now we are all dress up dolls indistinguishable from any other sci-fi game.

******* FINALLY. Someone talking about the integral merits of WiS instead of bitching about it somehow magically detracting from the experience.

Hey, I have a lot of appreciation for the Lore of any series. But I do want to say that lore doesn't have to be static. Would you be opposed to a WiS system if they were to advance the lore to include some kind of advancement in technology making the Pods easy to get out of?

And I've pointed out about 4 times now that I'm not playing Eve JUST for the avatars. The avatars were just the thing that made the game feel personal enough for me to get a personal connection with my character. I am playing Eve for the economic system and the awesome spaceships in the end. I just find it hard to get into RPGs unless my character feels like it actually exists in the universe.

I'm not sure what I'm saying that's contradicting that, though. I'm sorry if you got that impression, and I can see that my OP might have given you that impression (For example, I see that it looks like I just ignored the features of Eve and was only interested in WiS when my coworker was talking about it to me).

But, I've presented to you that it was a misunderstanding.


Everything I've been hearing from them hinges on the assumption that pushing for this addition requires Eve's FiS game to suffer. Which is the impression I'm getting from that thread as well.