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New to EVE, and I'll tell you what attracted me to it,. HINT: it wasn't the spaceships.

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Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-20 23:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nazzer Dawk
Some background, I was somewhat interested in EVE back in the early days based on the spaceship designs. I saw the Naglfar and drew a space scene in my art class the next day, based on that design. I just never thought I'd be abel to play it on my old computer, so back in 2003-2005, it wasn't on my To Play list.

But one day I was at a coworker's house and he had EVE running on a beefy rig with a huge monitor, and I asked him about it. He told me about the in-game economy, the scale, the corporations, the fact that things that are considered griefing in other games are defended by the developers as essential parts of the experience. All of that sounded even better than I initially thought, and it made me definately want to play the game. But the big question I wanted to know was whether you could walk around your ship's interiors. I REALLY wanted to know that. He said "No, but they're making an expansion that will let you walk around your captain's quarters".

Well, Crucible is out, and it's several versions in. And I played the trial shortly after I had this conversation with my coworker, but I dropped it after a few hours of play. It felt too... Impersonal.


Cut to three days ago. I am browsing the internet, and someone posts a screenshot of their character in the captain's quarters on Reddit. I'm intrigued.

Then I decided to give the game a try again. Bought some gametime the day before yesterday.

Immediately I got into the captain's quarters. I tried walking into the mirror before I realized that it wasn't a corridor. I turned around, went out to my ship, and flipped out. It's gorgeous. I've got the little holograms with "Fitting" and "Cargohold" and such on it, I've got the TV and couch, It's awesome.

Then I noticed another door. The one to the rest of the station. I ran over to it (Haha) and clicked the panel.

Closed for decontamination or whatever. Right, because the stations aren't done yet. Huge disappointment. What a wast of a feature.

Well, I can say that I'm much happier that I have a proper avatar and that the amazing character creator isn't just for my Portrait anymore, but I NEED to walk around the station.

And after that? I need to walk around and customize my ship's interior. You guys don't understand, I -NEED- it. It's the thing that will make me a life-long EVE player, I can say that now. I don't want to be playing with spaceship toys in the backyard like EVE currently feels like, I want to be a ship captain. And part of being a captain is being on the ship, seeing out the viewport.


Sorry for the ramble, but other people must feel the same. EVE has so much promise. This could be THE GAME. It just needs to let us romantics life out our fantasies in this particular way. I love the game's focus on trading, economics, and such. The designs of the ships are incredible, and it's a lovely game. Not speaking for anyone else here, but I feel like I'd never leave the game if we continued to improve the WiS aspect of the game.


Just understand that, after learning about the game's history, I know that people have a bad taste in their mouths from what came out of Incarna. I'm not interested in a WiS feature unless it is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL (I.E, everything you can do there can be replicated quickly through menus, like the optional space hologram in the CQ) and if it doesn't effect the improvements to FiS gameplay. EVE is a great game, I'm just talking about my experience in coming to the game.

--EDITED POST TO BE MORE CLEAR--
I'm not trying to pretend I know what's best for everyone else, guys.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#2 - 2012-03-20 23:57:48 UTC
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
THE GAME.


goddamnit.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-20 23:57:52 UTC
Why do people get so excited about the possibility of walking in a station when it's a game about spaceships, combat, and space-stuff? I don't get it...
Xenophon Zateki
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-20 23:59:35 UTC
It would be nice, yes.

But only if the rest of the game, what EVE has been for almost a decade, is still updated and improved alongside it.

A full-blown space RPG would be nice, but the core of EVE needs to come first.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#5 - 2012-03-21 00:03:14 UTC
Must respectfully disagree with you op. I feel pretty much the exact opposite.

No good deed goes unpunished

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#6 - 2012-03-21 00:04:23 UTC
The problem with walking around in your ship is that your avatar doesn't actually walk around in the ship "off-screen." You're in a POD filled with goo the entire time.
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-03-21 00:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nazzer Dawk
Borun Tal wrote:
Why do people get so excited about the possibility of walking in a station when it's a game about spaceships, combat, and space-stuff? I don't get it...

It's about the personal feeling that having a human there gives it. Without having an actual person in there, I'm just imagining one there. It's the "Toy spaceships in the backyard" feeling I mentioned.

Meryl SinGarda wrote:
The problem with walking around in your ship is that your avatar doesn't actually walk around in the ship "off-screen." You're in a POD filled with goo the entire time.


Hmm. I didn't know that. Well that changes my perspective of the ship thing then.

But the station still applies. I need to feel a connection with my character.
Fishmaskle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-21 00:08:21 UTC
I have to agree while I want more of the core eve game improved and whatnot, I too would love to be able to walk in my own ship at least. Each ship having a unique style and design with at least some personalization (for yourself only until whatever they decide to do for WiS. It would sort of be a mix of just CQ, but hopefully a little bigger since it would be nice to check out parts of the ship.

Overall usefulness would be nill from the start, but it could be used to make autopiloting long boring destinations a little more "scenic".

Now before anyone cries that players will spend all their time in their ships, well for those that want to shoot... Won't this be a good thing since it will force players to undock to enjoy it? You could click a quick button (just like CQ/Spinning) to get right back into the pilot seat, but they have to still be a bit alert. ;)
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#9 - 2012-03-21 00:09:53 UTC
Uninstall and never look back then.

They will never be anything remotely meaningful done in stations. The entire engine, its entire team exists solely to make the other vampire game which is years off for release. We are just the alpha testers for it.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#10 - 2012-03-21 00:11:58 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
The problem with walking around in your ship is that your avatar doesn't actually walk around in the ship "off-screen." You're in a POD filled with goo the entire time.



Not empty quoting.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Klown Walk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-21 00:18:45 UTC
You are playing the wrong game.
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-21 00:21:20 UTC
Klown Walk wrote:
You are playing the wrong game.

What a useful and insightful comment.

If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?
Haoibuni
Mish 4 free
#13 - 2012-03-21 00:29:27 UTC
Please tell me the Op is taking the peace
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-21 00:37:29 UTC
Haoibuni wrote:
Please tell me the Op is taking the peace


"Taking the peace"? Not familiar with that euphemism.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-21 00:39:09 UTC
Get a POS. It's like a set of captains quarters for your ships.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Ai Shun
#16 - 2012-03-21 00:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Hmm. I didn't know that. Well that changes my perspective of the ship thing then.

But the station still applies. I need to feel a connection with my character.


I would strongly recommend that you read the backstory and lore of EVE Online so you understand what position a capsuleer fulfills. Then, when you understand the EVE Universe, read this thread on Walking in Stations. You can skip through the dev posts to see what they are up to at the moment.

You will have to put your World of Warcraft / Rift / Everquest / avatar mindset aside for a while and truely consider a capsuleer from an EVE Online perspective if you intend to stick around. CCP made the mistake of releasing CQ before it was even close to ready and now the concept is suffering because of that. But, despite having a team working on it, it looks like it will be a long time before we see anything useful from it.

Anyway, read the lore, read the thread. There is a lot of useful information to help with EVE in there.

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If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?


None that I know of. But then, EVE isn't there yet either so he actually makes a good point. And creating another forum thread on the same topic, diluting the value of the thread dedicated to it is not helping.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-21 00:40:21 UTC
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Klown Walk wrote:
You are playing the wrong game.

What a useful and insightful comment.

If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?


There isn't one obviously. But seriously, if you find walking around looking at your avatar exciting and that has attracted you to eve, I fear that you will find the rest of the game horribly disappointing. I hope that you don't, but you probably will.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-03-21 00:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nazzer Dawk
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Klown Walk wrote:
You are playing the wrong game.

What a useful and insightful comment.

If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?


There isn't one obviously. But seriously, if you find walking around looking at your avatar exciting and that has attracted you to eve, I fear that you will find the rest of the game horribly disappointing. I hope that you don't, but you probably will.

Either my post didn't explain this very well or you didn't read my whole post.

I was not attracted to Eve because I wanted to walk around in stations and ships. I was attracted to EVE becasue I wanted to walk in stations while having everything else that EVE offered.

I don't want the game to change fundamentally, here, I want it to have a completely optional side-feature for people like me who love the EVE universe and want to feel even closer to it. I'd only argue for this feature if CCP were to manage to develop it without it effecting the rest of development, or after they gave players what they want (More ships, improvements to ships, etc.)

I understand what the universe is about, I think. If it weren't for the game's economy, I'd hardly be interested.
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-03-21 00:56:13 UTC
Personally i would love it if you could walk around your own ship. although judging by the modding that happened with the walking in stations client. i would sit in the deepest part of nullsec cloaked up and play Dust on the main screen of my cockpit and never go back to civilization.

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words

Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-21 00:58:51 UTC
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Klown Walk wrote:
You are playing the wrong game.

What a useful and insightful comment.

If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?


There isn't one obviously. But seriously, if you find walking around looking at your avatar exciting and that has attracted you to eve, I fear that you will find the rest of the game horribly disappointing. I hope that you don't, but you probably will.

Either my post didn't explain this very well or you didn't read my whole post.

I was not attracted to Eve because I wanted to walk around in stations and ships. I was attracted to EVE becasue I wanted to walk in stations while having everything else that EVE offered.

I don't want the game to change fundamentally, here, I want it to have a completely optional side-feature for people like me who love the EVE universe and want to feel even closer to it. I'd only argue for this feature if CCP were to manage to develop it without it effecting the rest of development, or after they gave players what they want (More ships, improvements to ships, etc.)

I understand what the universe is about, I think. If it weren't for the game's economy, I'd hardly be interested.



I admit that I tend to prefer games with avatars. Having a badass looking ship helps a lot with getting over that however. Seriously, it's how I learned to enjoy the combat etc. I'd still like to see WiS. Yes, I am a girl, maybe it's a girl thing I dunno.

The idea of reading the lore and backstory is very good however. It's really well done and lots of good reads out there.

Maybe with (when) dust comes out, there'll be more 'flesh' put to the whole WiS world as well.

On the other hand then you'd have to worry about getting mugged in a dark station alley, your ship codes stolen, waking up in your clone :P Which is what I tend to think when I think "Oh boy we'll finally be able to walk in stations" lol
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