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BALANCE MEDICAL CLONES IMMIDIATELY PLOX
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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-02-14 08:11:48 UTC
if you have that much sp, you should be beyond giving a **** how much isk your ship or clone costs
Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-02-14 09:09:54 UTC
PvPers are not exactly known for being rich carebears... when I log in, I do so to pvp... when getting podded costs more than a new battlecruiser hull it begins to be a problem... I think it's fine that new clones cost a few mil... at at 20-30 mil a pop it begins to be too painful... this is without implants of cause... and without factoring the ship lost also...

A nice 50% reduction in clone price would be very wanted...

Also, it's moronic to assume that more sp=more isk... theses a limit to how effective a ship can become with your sp... does not take 100 mil sp to get max skills for flying a battleship or marauder

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-02-14 09:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Bubanni wrote:
Also, it's moronic to assume that more sp=more isk... theses a limit to how effective a ship can become with your sp... does not take 100 mil sp to get max skills for flying a battleship or marauder


no it isn't, if you've been playing this game longer than 6 months, you *should* have the knowledge of game mechanics to be able to sustain 45m a pop clone costs. assuming ofc you aren't being podded multiple times daily. and i say *should* because goddamn there are some people who are ******* awful at this game and manage to stay broke with like 50M SP.

thats a heroic feat right there.

also: if all you want to do is run around in cheap ships and die all day w/o having to rat, sell your super high SP main, buy a low SP frig specialist instead and use all the leftover spacemoney to subsidize your pvp.
Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-02-14 09:56:40 UTC
Personly I loose a clone weekly bi-weekly, sometimes you can find yourself in the middle of a bubble after combat :) sometimes annoying features of eve cause you to be unable to save your pod if you die much faster than expected...

Good example of this is if you right clicked in space to select a location to warp... and them your ship blows up, the session change closes the menu so you have to right click again... also combined with session change often causes a 1-2 sec loading lag... having the location preselected in the overview while spamming warp helps against this of cause

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Jalmari Huitsikko
Avanto
Hole Control
#25 - 2012-02-26 21:26:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jalmari Huitsikko
Mfume Apocal wrote:
if you have that much sp, you should be beyond giving a **** how much isk your ship or clone costs


I am. I can buy around 1000000000000 or so medical clones that is not the point here.

Quote:
expensive clone


At some point MEDICAL clone cost becomes just stupidly high that it doesn't make real sense to even fly an interdictor or well pretty much anything else than tech 3 or titan.

My argument here is that you could choose to fly cheap clone without any implants and hop in rifter or merlin or whatever, lose maybe 100 rifters and pods and just have fun since blank clone doesn't really give you any advantage in combat, counting out against maybe under 1million sp newbie. But I think that would be a little special case there.

Quote:
low sp alt


I have low sp alt for it.That doesn't mean medical clone cost isn't stupidly high and just need to create alt to fly a rifter sounds a bit stupid doesn't it?

Little comparison:

my 15mil sp alt has clone cost around 1mil isk.

other toon has 75mil sp and has 20mil clone cost

both can fly almost as effectively all subcapital ships of one race, neither really being remarkably better.

In short in my opinion clone costs make no sense at all and numbers were taken off the hat.
Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
#26 - 2012-02-26 22:10:58 UTC
Medical clones doesnt add anything to the game with exception of unnecessary complication. They are waiting to be removed, its just a matter of time.
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#27 - 2012-02-26 22:15:22 UTC
Tekashi Kovacs wrote:
Medical clones doesnt add anything to the game with exception of unnecessary complication. They are waiting to be removed, its just a matter of time.


Um, do you play this game much? Do you understand how it works? I think not.

Medical clones are an essential part of the game - you don't update, that's your choice. But if you die, you'll lose SP. They're also an essential part of the game lore, and they will NEVER be removed from the game. Nice try though.

If you have that many SP, you have enough ISK to not worry about your clone costs! It's a necessary ISK-sink on older players, who are too easily able to make insane amounts of ISK with little effort compared to younger players.

Clones are working as intended, quit whining, and play the game.
Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
#28 - 2012-02-26 22:42:01 UTC
Tidurious wrote:
Medical clones are an essential part of the game - you don't update, that's your choice. But if you die, you'll lose SP. They're also an essential part of the game lore, and they will NEVER be removed from the game. Nice try though.


Nobody with his right mind will ever decide to NOT update his clone, so is that really an choice? No, its not. In other hand, some people may indeed forget to update them, thus being punished for... nothing.

It is part of the game, right, but its really weak part that makes little sense. Such things should be eliminated as quick as possible and I'am sure they eventually will, just with CCPs style 5-7 year delay as most things were.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#29 - 2012-02-26 22:53:42 UTC
Tekashi Kovacs wrote:
Nobody with his right mind will ever decide to NOT update his clone, so is that really an choice? No, its not. In other hand, some people may indeed forget to update them, thus being punished for... nothing.

It is part of the game, right, but its really weak part that makes little sense. Such things should be eliminated as quick as possible and I'am sure they eventually will, just with CCPs style 5-7 year delay as most things were.

Lol, medical clones aren't going anywhere. People who forget to update them, despite all the warnings, are being punished for being idiots.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#30 - 2012-02-26 22:58:31 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Tekashi Kovacs wrote:
Nobody with his right mind will ever decide to NOT update his clone, so is that really an choice? No, its not. In other hand, some people may indeed forget to update them, thus being punished for... nothing.

It is part of the game, right, but its really weak part that makes little sense. Such things should be eliminated as quick as possible and I'am sure they eventually will, just with CCPs style 5-7 year delay as most things were.

Lol, medical clones aren't going anywhere. People who forget to update them, despite all the warnings, are being punished for being idiots.



This ^^

This game punishes you for being an idiot, making bad choices, etc. You don't want to be punished, than go find another game. Stop whining about ISK you already have:

Simi Kusoni wrote:
I can buy around 1000000000000 or so medical clones that is not the point here.


This IS the point ^^

You're whining about something that ISN'T AN ISSUE. Just because you don't like it in principal, to pay more for a clone than you do for a ship, doesn't mean the game is broken. No matter what car I drive, I'll always value my life more than the car I'm in too. I don't see the issue.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#31 - 2012-02-27 05:00:36 UTC
jump clones? O,o
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#32 - 2012-02-27 05:38:44 UTC
Tekashi Kovacs wrote:
It is part of the game, right, but its really weak part that makes little sense.


They're also an ISK-sink, a pretty decent sized one IIRC, which is good for the game's economy.
Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-02-27 07:32:12 UTC
as said, I think 30mil is alot to pay for a clone, specially when you enjoy flying around in 0.0 and often fly small ships for corp roams. I don't personly think clones should be removed of cause, but as said before... I think the price should be reduced a little.

high sp has nothing to do with isk, specially if your doing pvp alot... indirectly this isk sink is and isk sink on and isk sink... "pvp"... and dosn't affect high sec carebears as much (how often do they find their pod inside a bubble?)

but hi, all high sp people must have alot of isk anyway? right?... yeah I am super space rich... like 2bil almost wohoo... and I used to pve alot... but do you know what I used that isk for? PvP! :)

So just reduce the clone cost by like 50% and we will all be happy

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Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#34 - 2012-02-27 08:39:41 UTC
Bubanni wrote:


So just reduce the clone cost by like 50% and we will all be happy



Just stop whining and we will all be happy. Way less work on CCP's part, too!
Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
#35 - 2012-02-27 11:24:14 UTC
Basically its the only game where veterans are being punished. In any other MMO you would be collecting rewards for being long time subscriber, not in EVE!
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#36 - 2012-02-27 14:01:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Bubanni wrote:
as said, I think 30mil is alot to pay for a clone, specially when you enjoy flying around in 0.0 and often fly small ships for corp roams. I don't personly think clones should be removed of cause, but as said before... I think the price should be reduced a little.

high sp has nothing to do with isk, specially if your doing pvp alot... indirectly this isk sink is and isk sink on and isk sink... "pvp"... and dosn't affect high sec carebears as much (how often do they find their pod inside a bubble?)

but hi, all high sp people must have alot of isk anyway? right?... yeah I am super space rich... like 2bil almost wohoo... and I used to pve alot... but do you know what I used that isk for? PvP! :)


its fine you dont like to carebear for clones, but thats not the point at all.

The assumption is with that much SP, you should be able/have the knowledge to gain enough ISK to cover the losses. If you dont, you are doing something really wrong or bought your char - the assumption still correct.
If you DONT WANT to generate ISK in some way because you prefer pvping all the time, its your problem but not of high ISK clones, adapt or die, or start skilling an alt or whatever.
Craefter
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-03-20 23:49:17 UTC
Oh yeah, I would very much like to have a cheaper clones. I'm not a big iso farmer, I don't have to the time for it really and I can't think of andy skills which would speed up iso farming at the same rate the clones are costing.

In 10mil SP they cost 45mil iso for me. Insane. Couple this with a proportional ship (lets say 50:50) and a hostile warp bubble is going to cost you 100mil+. I don't know, thats 2-3 hours L4 mission farming? I'd rather get back into the action asap, with smaller ships I can afford with my time.

So yes, I think CCP is robbing the simple PVP fun from player who have been their loyal customers for some time.

Anyway, I'm going to join Red vs. Blue, small ships and no podding allowed. With already 3000 members between both teams it seems there is a market for a kind of game which CCP didn't envision: Artificial rules within the sandbox to get the game experience you'd like. It's nice it can be done but it's also a bit sad it had to be this way.

-Crae
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