Ships & Modules

There's a lot of multipliers going on with skills and ship bonuses. End result is that on a damnation (and that's not even the best ship for it, gang bonus wise) the T1 gives some 25% resists and the T2 gives 32%. That's a big increase whichever way you look at it.

Skill specialization, 100% per level from lvl2
Warfare Link Specialist 10% per level
Command ship bonus, 3% per level.
MIndlink, 50% bonus in the end

I cant rember the mathematic part of how they stack up,. i think it is ^ order but the results i do know

armor/shield/skirmish
2 base = 25.88%
2.5 base = 32.34%

skirmish interdiction maneuvers (point/web range)
3 base = 38.81%
3.75 base = 48.52%

.. which gives an L5 recon pilot in an Arazu with RF Disruptor a 91.6km point.
And a similar pilot in a dual TS web Rapier the same range.

Winsauce.

got any link to a devblog/forum thread where CCP acknowledges it and talks about a fix for that obvious problem?

it's also take as much time to fly the fleet CS as to get into a dreadnaught. so takes less time to get into a t3, to do a better job then a Fleet CS. illogical

There is nothing wrong with a T3 giving better bonuses than a fleet command ship. When you fit a T3 with 3 ganglinks you are taking its ability to do anything else but to sit in a safespot and give bonuses.

The fleet command ship can give 3 bonuses with ease and be able to tank loads and fight on grid with its fleet.

They serve different roles, when you go for a T3 command ship you make the trade off of making it a one trick pony.



If you train for a fleet command ship for the purpose of offgrid booster then it is your own fault for doing no research. Eve is a game that rewards being smart about your decisions, Shoulda trained a T3.

Thats it, thanks.

Yeah i figured command bonuses command ships, altho command ships still have one what to say advantage over T3s boosting, they can be ongrid, strategic cruisers almost always are offgrid. Which means the booster gets part of the fun and KMs aswell.

You can have an ongrid Loki Booster, you just need to have a reason to do it.

The fact is as long as offgrid boosting is a possibility, there will not be a reason to bother with them outside of specific uses.

The bigger issue is that Field Command Ships aren't as good as people want to say they are.

They lose more than half their DPS for going full boosting, and although viable on the field, are rarely seen as such.

I have to admit that I trained Command Ships 5 three times after T3s were released.

-Liang

Ed: Not to say anything bad about your point - you're right. Just pointing out that I thought it worthwhile to train CS5 even though I knew they weren't the best gang boosters. The Absolution and Astarte may have had something to do with this.

Three things:

The argument over whether T3 or CS is better should NOT assume that you're trading off one ship for another. The reality is that most corps have a number of members with T3 boosting alts. So the choice is actually, for say a 6-player gang, whether to bring a setup that uses a CS (6 ships, where one of the ships on grid is pretty crap for fighting) or a setup that uses a T3 (7 ships, where all ships on grid are optimized for fighting).

I, too, saw a quote where CCP said they were looking into changing the boosting balance between T3 and CS. I don't feel like looking it up now, though.

Any balance should probably nerf the T3, not boost the CS. Fleet bonuses are simply way too high these days; they are pretty much mandatory to stay competitive. Even folks like Garmon, who don't leave home without fleet boosters, admit that.