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Allow onetime SP resets/tie SP reset into attribute reset timer/pay real cash for sp resets even!!

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2012-03-18 21:38:16 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Tippia decided to break with tradition though and offer you some valid discussion on the very first page. Bad Tippia, bad!
Yeah, but now we're on page 2, so it's ok.
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#22 - 2012-03-18 21:39:48 UTC
Complete reskill models would kill this game.

But what might work is a "single skill" reset for an ISK fee with no more than 25% return. So this way you would need ISK first and you must consider that your character will overall loose SP in the process. So when you have a skill with 1 million SP in it you will get 250.000 SP back for reinvestment.

Yay 10 years! :D

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#23 - 2012-03-18 22:42:41 UTC
OP: Quit EVE and go play Perpetuum Online.

I'm not a big fan of being thier marketing tool but everything you have asked for, they have.

Account based Skill Points, One time free reset, penalty based resets after that. SP over time that builds in the account and can be allocated to a main or an alt.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-03-18 22:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
So i can be a combat character one week. Switch to max out my marketing skills and research. Then switch back to max pvp skills....

yeah it seems reasonable

But really, people were willing to pay 20 dollars just to have their portrait changed. They are willing to pay PLEX/15-20 dollars to have their attributes remapped.

How much do you plan on charging for a full SP reallocation? 100 dollars? i hope so because if you're only charging 15-20 dollars, many people will be doing this every other week

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-03-18 22:53:35 UTC
I have a solution for you. Biomass your current, oh so horrible gallente toon and start afresh as a minmatar Roll
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Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-03-18 23:07:46 UTC
At this point in EVE’s evolution I am beginning to wonder if it matters anymore. Crack it up to a crazy question (and I am not asking for change), but does EVE really need a skill point training system anymore? The game has always been more of sim with SP tacked on as an excuse to call it an RPG. Why not just get rid of skill points altogether and simply let people research, build, and pilot what they can learn to play and afford to fly?
Tovartis Roberts
Simulation 1
#27 - 2012-03-18 23:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tovartis Roberts
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Tovartis Roberts
Simulation 1
#28 - 2012-03-19 00:02:07 UTC
Ioci wrote:
OP: Quit EVE and go play Perpetuum Online.

I'm not a big fan of being thier marketing tool but everything you have asked for, they have.

Account based Skill Points, One time free reset, penalty based resets after that. SP over time that builds in the account and can be allocated to a main or an alt.


ill look into that.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-03-19 00:06:34 UTC
Blimey, Tippia came, saw, and bloody well knocked it out of the park.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-03-19 00:07:48 UTC
Kai Tel wrote:
At this point in EVE’s evolution I am beginning to wonder if it matters anymore. Crack it up to a crazy question (and I am not asking for change), but does EVE really need a skill point training system anymore? The game has always been more of sim with SP tacked on as an excuse to call it an RPG. Why not just get rid of skill points altogether and simply let people research, build, and pilot what they can learn to play and afford to fly?


That would be chaos. People in EVE can often afford to fly something long before they have the SP to do it. It would also eliminate the strategic element of planning your training.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#31 - 2012-03-19 00:09:38 UTC
Ioci wrote:
OP: Quit EVE and go play Perpetuum Online.

I'm not a big fan of being thier marketing tool but everything you have asked for, they have.

Account based Skill Points, One time free reset, penalty based resets after that. SP over time that builds in the account and can be allocated to a main or an alt.


So that's the reason the 'thousands' of people quit EVE to go over there in the summer of whine.

Mr Epeen Cool
Klown Walk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-03-19 00:27:41 UTC
I miss tom gerard.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#33 - 2012-03-19 00:33:01 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Ioci wrote:
OP: Quit EVE and go play Perpetuum Online.

I'm not a big fan of being thier marketing tool but everything you have asked for, they have.

Account based Skill Points, One time free reset, penalty based resets after that. SP over time that builds in the account and can be allocated to a main or an alt.


So that's the reason the 'thousands' of people quit EVE to go over there in the summer of whine.

Mr Epeen Cool


No that wasn't the reason but the OP wasn't asking what is the most popular MMO out there. Had he asked that, neither Perp or EVE would have made the top 100

R.I.P. Vile Rat

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#34 - 2012-03-19 13:56:50 UTC
I support this idea.

I say let anyone who wants a reset of their skill points because they make a mistake pay RL$ and reset their total skill points to ZERO.

That way they can start over and do it "right" from a fresh perspective.


It sucks, but I agree with most responses here in that older players will have the same opportunity to focus their 100M+ skills to better kill you.

Besides, what happens to all the injected skills that have per-requirements? Do they just vanish so you need to buy them a second time? We already know that CCP will not refund them from a previous mass removal of skills.


Please search the forums for previously proposed ideas that seem to look exactly the same as this one. The responses are just as similar.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#35 - 2012-03-19 14:44:45 UTC
AFK Hauler wrote:
I support this idea.

I say let anyone who wants a reset of their skill points because they make a mistake pay RL$ and reset their total skill points to ZERO.


Supported on the condition that you really mean the SP is permanently gone and the only way to redeem it is via waiting for your new skills at 1800-2400 SP/hour (or whatever the current range is, accounting for remaps/implants).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#36 - 2012-03-19 15:55:23 UTC
After talking on this topic off and on for like a year now, I've come to the conclusion that the only skill remap I'd support is allowing players to remap 1-2 million skillpoints after their first 12-24 months of play. Consider it a reward for the continuing subscription and a way to recover skillpoints wasted to noob mistakes.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Voxinian
#37 - 2012-03-19 16:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Voxinian
I don't mind OP's idea, but I rather see implant remaps more often. In my first EVE days I used them all not knowing I could not remap for an entire year.
Qen Tye
In Between
#38 - 2012-03-19 16:29:03 UTC
When I started to play I trained for ice mining, so invested heavily in those skills setting everything aside. Then a personal crisis hitted me and I did not play for a year. Now I am back and just reactivated my account and I found mining so *beep* boring and want to be a manufatcurer.

However my ship skills are rubbish and most other skills to - does this annoys my little left toe and make it itchy? hell yes - but hey - I can train up the skills needed -all it takes is time and that what I love to hate about EVE. You do not have it? Train!

Get implants and plan your yearly remapping accordingly to skills using same attributes and stick to it.

IF a resetting of skill points at all should be even considered it should be only for
- Base skills
- Only trained to level 3 or less
- No prereq skills can be trained
- Only ½ or 1 million skill points total can be reimbursed
- One time only

And even if so decided it is still not a good idea. Live with the mistakes you have made just like you have to in real life.

Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

  • Arthur C. Clarke
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-03-19 18:05:58 UTC
Qen Tye wrote:

IF a resetting of skill points at all should be even considered it should be only for
- Base skills
- Only trained to level 3 or less
- No prereq skills can be trained
- Only ½ or 1 million skill points total can be reimbursed
- One time only


Making a bad idea also obnoxious or painful to use doesn't make it a good idea.
Qen Tye
In Between
#40 - 2012-03-19 18:17:38 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Making a bad idea also obnoxious or painful to use doesn't make it a good idea.


Which is why I ended my post with
And even if so decided it is still not a good idea. Live with the mistakes you have made just like you have to in real life.

But guess you did not think that was important enough and making my own statement obsolete.

Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

  • Arthur C. Clarke
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