Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Any pilot with an Empire faction standing of -7.00 or so will know exactly what I'm talking about. You can't fly through Amarr space with a cool ship and cloak it if your Amarr standings are that terrabad. The exact message you get is that the Amarr Navy is jamming your cloaking systems or something along those lines.

CCP gave us wardecs to wage hi-security war with, but hardly anybody uses them in favor of jihad ganking outside of a wardec, exploiting a meticulous system whereby a few hundred thousand isk destroyers can take out unarmed ships that cost multiple millions of isk. This is done in space with a security rating anywhere between 0.5 and 1.0 and making a massive profit for virtually zero risk and financial loss in the process. Yes brosefs and brosefettes, that barge just has to drop a strip miner or 2 for you to make profit out of your Thrasher loss.

With the 0.0 argument of risk vs reward standing fast (But in hisec being gimped into a lesser cost = more reward monster), this must be rectified.




So here's a thought.

Why not amend Concord to jam all weapons systems of players in space that would be aimed at a player (And not a Pirate NPC rat), where the space has a security rating of 0.7/0.8 or higher, thus preventing any aggression outside of a wardec.

If no wardec is in place, the would be pirate/jihaddist/ganker would simply get the message indicating that "Concord is jamming your weapon systems".

Areas where this would not apply:

1) Missions - The moment you warp through any acceleration gate, your on your own as Concord can't save you or intervene. To this end, players will be able to shoot mission runners as per normal.

2) Incursions - Like I really need to point out the PvP value of incursions....


The Wardecs

Once corp A/Alliance A levels a wardec against corp B/ Alliance B and the 24 hour timer runs out, Concord will no longer be jamming any weapon systems.

All the would be victims get ample heads up that stuff is going down and it would be dangerous to undock in your shiny mining/mission running ship. Giving them the choice to opt between a warship for pew pew or the loggofski button to wait it out


Corp A / Alliance A will now have to pay a substantial amount of isk in order to get lol kills, which factors in more nicely with the risk/cost & reward equation. They still get to pew pew.

What would this mean for systems with a sec rating of 0.7+?

No more jihadding
No more mackinaw ganks
No more Hulk ganks
Bye bye Hulkageddon without wardecs
No more unwanted can flipping aggression
You'll have to pay to pew much like the noobies you pray on have to pay to do anything without much success

All of the above activities will be regulated and pushed down to less secured space


Will this mean the end of Hulkageddon? - No (You can still do this in 0.5 & 0.6 space, or pay for the wardec)
Will this mean the end of can flipping and griefing? - No (You can still do this in 0.5 & 0.6 space, or pay for the wardec)
Will this mean the end of jihadding? - No (You can still do this in 0.5 & 0.6 space, or pay for the wardec if your targets are elsewhere)
Will this mean the end of gatecamps in hi-sec? - No (wardec)
Will this mean the end of station camping in Jita? - No (wardec)
Will this mean the end of Mission ganking/griefing? - Nope. This will continue as usual
Will this mean the end of Incursion griefing? - Nope. This will continue as usual

Now all we'd need is a fix to dec shielding.

Wait are you trolling?

This means that if I'm in an NPC Corp and stick to mainly highsec (+.07) routes I'll never have to worry about anybody ganking me or stealing my stuff. No this will make it so no one will leave teh 0.7-1.0 Zones and treat 0.5-0.6 space like it was lowsec. Don't like being ganked at the undock, don't shop at major trading hubs.

Oddly enough most of the best priced items I find are nowhere near major hubs. This idea is too exploitable and a blatent trolling attempt by the OP.

I love how every response so far has ignored the existence of a wardec.

Anybody care to share why they hate the wardec so much?

As someone noted above, you can't wardec someone who stays in an NPC corp. And you can't really wardec someone who knows how to utilize a "dec-shield."

To echo what Gerrick Palivorn said: if you stay in 0.7+ systems and never leave an NPC corp, you will never be ganked again.

So if CCP fixed the wardeccing system to allow NPC cor decs and find a solution to dec shielding?

What then?

And lets assume they also entertain the idea of revamping Faction Warfare so that all Faction NPC corps enter the war as well...

Confirming that I am posting in gank butthurt whine thread #8429.

Your proposal does nothing to solve NPC corp wardec safety (which isn't a problem anyway) or decshielding.

…which as what to do with making space safer and abolishing a perfectly working game mechanic, exactly?

Your idea does the exact opposite of what you claim you want: it reduces risk. It also does not seem to address any actual problem, so again: what problem are you trying to solve here?

Wardeccing as a standard practice doesn't create non-con pvp. Any carebear with an understanding of game mechanics will promptly stay docked till they drop corp, or use a dec shield. The only way to hit a carebear like myself is a suicide gank. I don't mission, and I'll never be on grid with an incursion, therefor I will be 100% safe in 0.7 or higher, and 100% safety in eve is game breakingly wrong.

Her mewling, puling, utterly needless fear of--horror of horrors!--losing a pixel-spaceship and/or pixel money in a freaking video-game.


There is a problem, here, that no-one seems to want to acknowledge exists, least of all CCP:

The OP can find it by looking in a mirror.

vOv ::carebears:: vOv

I don't get it, man, how the f do they work?

Well this proposal would certainly make running radars and mag sites in high sec interesting.

Also, the reason wardecs aren't used isnt because suicide ganking is so awesome. Its because, as people pointed out above, wardecs are a joke.