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21 day trial - Science, industry & PI.
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Han Mizrachi
Verum Legio
#1 - 2012-03-17 21:32:00 UTC
Ok, i'm interested in running a second account alongside my main combat char which will be completely focused on science, industry & PI (possibly trade as well). My plan would to join a noob friendly industry corp and get on with it. However..

I have no idea about any of these things. How much experience would i gain in these areas in the 21 day trial period? Would i be able to get a good grip of the basics in this time or would i be hardly scratching the surface? And also would i be expecting any isk flow after this period of time?

Thanks in advance,

Han.
Maeste Madeveda
The Spawning Pool
#2 - 2012-03-17 21:53:45 UTC
You won't make good money in 21 days unless you have particular facilities (Good PI planets in low, Good capital, BPO ...) I consider 'good' a PLEX a month. Right now if I go really crazy on production and stuff I can rack around 2B a months with private investment on this sole character.

As for the experience gained, it all depends on your teacher and your own abilities to understand how the market works. After 3 months I'm still trying to understand how to develop my activity but I am planning my next move since my second month. I know how my niche works but I'm still trying to develop a method to prevent losing money to market fluctuations.
Han Mizrachi
Verum Legio
#3 - 2012-03-17 21:57:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Han Mizrachi
Yeah i'm not expecting to be able to pay for the extra account after 21 days, but a few mil isk return would be nice. Tbh i think ill just go for it. If i'm struggling after the 3 weeks to see any return or fun in running the second account there is no loss in just watching it expire.

Starting with PI seems the best option? Then moving towards trade and then industry?

-EDIT- PI is not available to trial accounts, i've only just realised this.
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#4 - 2012-03-18 07:57:10 UTC
Well tbh a real "second account trial" is 7 weeks as you make no loss plexing it for one month (seeing as your main will gain the 1 month gametime too).

And if you plex it straight away you can then start with PI as it will no longer be a trial account.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2012-03-18 08:15:49 UTC
You are not even going to get started in 21 days.

But you might try to get Mechanical Engineering quickly up to level 4 and a couple of ranks of Research Project Management.

While they're training run couriers for Cartham or Amarr COSMOS missions and you should be able to have some passive research income to help you out while you work on active skills.

That's what I usually do when starting a builder character.

Mr Epeen Cool
Geno Weiss
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-03-18 18:42:42 UTC
You can't train PI, research, and most higher level industry skills on a trial account.
Han Mizrachi
Verum Legio
#7 - 2012-03-19 11:09:50 UTC
Geno Weiss wrote:
You can't train PI, research, and most higher level industry skills on a trial account.


Yeah i have now realised this. The plan is to just use the 21 day trial to grind some standings with R&D corps while getting the stuff i can use up to V, science, industry, mechanics, engineering, electronics etc.
Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#8 - 2012-03-19 15:01:56 UTC
If it's a buddy invite trial, go ahead and pay with a plex. You'll immediately get your plex back on the invite character and you'll be free to train all skills with no trial limitations. You'll get a total of 51 days free.
LordBucifal
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#9 - 2012-03-21 09:05:22 UTC
Take me for example, buddy invite 21 days...then i received 500 mils to pay for the plex, then i have 51 days...the friend has his month any way. Now let's look at my advantages. 3 chars on this acount with 1 day training :lvl 1 amarr ind, lvl 3 in both planet upg and planet consolidation (nr of planets) 4x3 =12 for free:) now you have 3 chars that have 21 k m3 of industrials that you will reuse next month. But what to do with the remaining 49 days well here is one example max out Pi, then with the money got from doing Pi this month, pay the transfer of the main char from this alt the one maxed out to your main:) so now on your main you have a for free (well not free 2 plex) but in this 51 days if you are a good player and calculate from the begining you will obtain the following:)

1 planets x 1 600 000 P0-->10 600 P1for 48 h ->NM
1 planets x 1 600 000 P0-->10 600 P1for 48 h ->NM
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1 planets x 24 advance combining mechanical part=2880 /day MP=(8kper item) 700mIsk
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1 planets x 1 600 000 P0-->10 600 P1for 48 h ->RM
1 planets x 1 600 000 P0-->10 600 P1for 48 h ->RM
(the above config if you are in a tax 0% corp export:)
This is only one of the chars.
Now imagine the next 2 will help with production:)

So enjoy your new char:)Profesional new char:
Galente iteron V
6 Planets all upgraded
have fun.
Sidrun
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#10 - 2012-03-21 14:24:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sidrun
LordBucifal wrote:
Take me for example, buddy invite 21 days...then i received 500 mils to pay for the plex, then i have 51 days...the friend has his month any way. Now let's look at my advantages. 3 chars on this acount with 1 day training :lvl 1 amarr ind, lvl 3 in both planet upg and planet consolidation (nr of planets) 4x3 =12 for free:) now you have 3 chars that have 21 k m3 of industrials that you will reuse next month. But what to do with the remaining 49 days well here is one example max out Pi, then with the money got from doing Pi this month, pay the transfer of the main char from this alt the one maxed out to your main:) so now on your main you have a for free (well not free 2 plex) but in this 51 days if you are a good player and calculate from the begining you will obtain the following:)

1 planets x 1 600 000 P0-->10 600 P1for 48 h ->NM
1 planets x 1 600 000 P0-->10 600 P1for 48 h ->NM
......................................................................................
1 planets x 24 advance combining mechanical part=2880 /day MP=(8kper item) 700mIsk
......................................................................................
1 planets x 1 600 000 P0-->10 600 P1for 48 h ->RM
1 planets x 1 600 000 P0-->10 600 P1for 48 h ->RM
(the above config if you are in a tax 0% corp export:)
This is only one of the chars.
Now imagine the next 2 will help with production:)

So enjoy your new char:)Profesional new char:
Galente iteron V
6 Planets all upgraded
have fun.


Where do you get 700 million isk from mechanical partsx2880*(8000isk)? It's 23 million isk. Even if you were able to run those 24 advanced processors 24h a day, 30d a month, it totals to slightly 700m for the entire month. And that's ONLY if you can keep those 24 processors going nonstop. I don't think you'll be able to do that very long without exhausting your planets supplies of P0 parts. A month of adjusting extractors, moving P1 parts around from multiple planets, and making sure everything is running all the time, and you'll start to get tired of it. But that's just me.

Not to mention 8k isk per item is pretty high. I'd like to see where you're getting 8k per unit.

There's money to be made if you have 0% tax rate POCO's. But its going to take several accounts, and ALOT of work to keep it as efficient as possible.
LordBucifal
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#11 - 2012-03-23 08:17:13 UTC
Yes that is right a lot for work, but that is why on a new acount you have 3 acounts and with only one day training you have 4 planes with lvl 3 upgrade that will be able to extract each like 750 -->1 mil of P0. And due to the 10 k m3 of the lauch pad only once a day you need to log that is all. and now you have 4 input plantet+4 input planet + 4 input planet +1 combining planet. 1 MP+CE=Robotics and now we are talking at a new lvl. The 21 k m3 of the bestower taked exactly 25 000 PM +25 000 RM and is perfectly combined into MechParts. and with 3 planets per imput it shoud be suficient to run non stop, (i do not stay much during the weekend) So there you have it.:)
But all this is not posible if you are not in a Big alliance to have a good and secure space, and if you do not have your own PoCo:)

And is true i did not sell MP for a long time but i thought it is a good price. But the real monney comes from P4.
Now that is a true wander cos imagine you do not have to pay that 1.3 mils per item fro export:) mmmmm
So hope this helped and see u later.
Han Mizrachi
Verum Legio
#12 - 2012-03-23 13:25:41 UTC
Ok then, another question. Seems about all i can do in the trial is grind couriers for R&D corps.. would you suggest:

a) Grind one R&D corp as far as i can get (considering i cant use industrials or do combat missions).
b) Get a few corps to the point where i can do lvl2 missions and once i sub i can use an industrial to continue from there.
c) You have a better idea of what i should be doing.
B0RG DR0NE
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#13 - 2012-03-23 23:08:58 UTC
I'd work on missions to get my standings up. Surely you can do combat missions?
Arzuhra Alland
Atamo Trading Company
#14 - 2012-03-24 19:56:19 UTC
As several people already suggested you should upgrade your 21-day trial with 1 PLEX to 51 days non-trial.
Because you used buddy invite your main will also get 1 PLEX that you will need anyway to keep playing.
This way you end up with a 51-day free trial and a PLEX for your main.Cool
Then you can do some PI, manufacturing, hauling and just try everything industry has to offer.
After this period you can decide whether you keep your account, or start another one in the same way and specialise in what you liked most.
Have fun!Big smile

Arzuhra Alland