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The REAL reason CCP doesn't ban as many botters as you would like...

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Kai LienChow
The Untraceable
M A R A K U G A
#81 - 2012-03-17 16:38:18 UTC
So now let me through a curve ball into this whole discussion. Just for a moment lets forget that this is just a game at heart. Lets forget that it is an imaginary universe with all its artificial wonder and glory. Lets do something none of us would ever consider doing (those of us that play the game), and that is to "pretend" that it is real in some very real way.

Consider that in this *real universe that we are actually flying around in these advanced space ships with all this technology around us and that we do not have the "limitations" or even "expectation" of fairness as a part of our universe, truly wild and un-predictable.

Consider that we are as capable of doing anything we have the skills or experiences to do of our own free will (remember now we are pretending still).

Think about the environment that is around us, think about the other players, un-predictable. The equipment, created and provided to us by (CCP or we would I guess consider them the GODS of our universe). Lets focus on that aspect first - why in a universe of such capability are we limited to use/ utilize what is inherently defined by them (in this pretend reality)? Why could I not take the parts off off one ship and put them on another to create my own type of ship? or possibly create my own types of modules that enhance my (in this game reality) in such a way as to benefit myself?

In this false reality - it is entirely unrealistic to think that we have evolved to a point of such capability to be limited as we are in this reality. We are dependent on CCP to define the specifics of the reality we exist in and that is a at its core, unrealistic.

Invention is a false ideology - we cannot truly invent we can only discover that which is programmed for us to uncover through some steps, but it is always predictable.

With regard to Botting - would it not be concievable that in a reality such as this, where there are capabilites such that would be achievable that someone, somewhere would create ways to automate the technology in use? Would it not be concievable that there could be programs that could be utilized in this universe to make life easier? HAVE YOU EVER MINED ? Seriously tedious work (in this reality), I know that in my REAL WORLD, we have evolved ....think about picking cotton, or perhaps more appropriate example is drilling for Oil - much of the work is automated....Sure someone needs to monitor, but do we not have systems in place to alert or warn us of impending danger.

Why would we not have the same or BETTER capability expectations in a reality such as Eve? Why should the game play be limited to that which is only provided or governed by CCP? (BECAUSE THEY OWN THE GAME)? well sure that might be a response, but we pay for it ultimately.

The real reason is MONEY - honestly people, I am not crazy. It is a play on reality, but it ultimate comes down to money, if we could automate the collection of raw materials in game, that can be turned into game currency, that can be in some way utilized to then compensate game play time fees, then who would be paying CCP for playing the game with REAL MONEY....no one would.

IT is a safety in a way - for CCP to maintain control. You as a player will like in someways, the Matrix movie characters, will never see the reality the same way as someone who had been freed of it. CCP holds all. Limitation is another measure of control. When you play the game, in this reality - you are at the mercy of the MCP (TRON), comply or be derezzed. Such is the way of the online game.

To sum up - i think it is really unfair that this game is called a sandbox, truly it is not in many ways, as it is scripted to behave in certain ways, and while there are unpredictable entities (players) that affect the outcome in predictable ways, there really are no acceptable "UNPREDICTable" scenarios that can occur. Any such unpredictable scenarios would be tagged as against the EULA and the "anomolie" would be eliminated.

Prince Kobol
#82 - 2012-03-17 17:08:46 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
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The rest of us? They just want our money so they can keep the servers up and running...since all botters pay in PLEX.

It's not rocket science.


It's not rocket science to understand that EVERY PLEX was paid for with real money that landed in the pocket of CCP. Yet people like you fail to understand it.

Luckily that means I don't have to comment the rest of your post.


No, you just Fail period.

It is a know fact that many RMT Sites participate in acquiring goods using stolen credit card / banking details.

Let me spell it out for you step by step.

1. Create an army untraceable accounts by using a VM Hosting Service and fake details.

2. Use stolen credit card / bank details to purchase plex via 3rd party site

3. Redeem PLEX - sell for isk - transfer isk to idiot who has placed an order via your RMT site.

At which point does CCP receive real money.. that's right they didn't.

Also when talking about RMT Sites you will find that a large proportion of their stock of isk comes from buying isk from RL Players. This is much easier then having to employee people to farm 24/7 and if the botters are caught it has nothing to do with them.

Stragak
#83 - 2012-03-17 17:25:23 UTC
I got all these invention skills time to put them to use. Increase number of 'player made' ships. Something that you can look at and say " Now how can I make it better tailored to do the things I do"

T3 is a excellent start put still predefined outcomes I add this and I get that. Time to think out of the box CCP and make this game a sandbox. This game has always had an active player base and you tell us that you have given the tools to do so for a so called 'sand box', make it unpredictable what I might fly based on my ship, make it look different, allow the nanites to do their job of fusing this masterpiece together and selling bpcs of named ship. Default ships are just that that nothing I consider to be truly sand box idea for the 21st century. Combine Battleships forever type theme to Eve and man you well have my heart.

So where is my Battleship with whip charged Slaves slamming out the corridors of my ship so I can line it with more spirits and exotic dancers with my sliver plated ash tray and rolling by the station undock at 2 m/s so everyone can see me.

"Oh look, the cat is sitting in the litter box and pooping over the side again" every time we go through these "rough patches". In good humor, and slight annoyance, Boiglio   https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238130&p=82

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#84 - 2012-03-17 19:23:25 UTC
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
You can just google for bots and look at their websites, manuals etc to see that you're wrong. All the popular bots use local chat to detect hostiles. In fact I couldn't even find one that uses another method of detecing hostiles.


To be honest I have never heard of a bot using 'screen' shot as a methood of botting as its rather inefficent to relay data.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#85 - 2012-03-17 19:24:35 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
...
The rest of us? They just want our money so they can keep the servers up and running...since all botters pay in PLEX.

It's not rocket science.


It's not rocket science to understand that EVERY PLEX was paid for with real money that landed in the pocket of CCP. Yet people like you fail to understand it.

Luckily that means I don't have to comment the rest of your post.


No, you just Fail period.

It is a know fact that many RMT Sites participate in acquiring goods using stolen credit card / banking details.

Let me spell it out for you step by step.

1. Create an army untraceable accounts by using a VM Hosting Service and fake details.

2. Use stolen credit card / bank details to purchase plex via 3rd party site

3. Redeem PLEX - sell for isk - transfer isk to idiot who has placed an order via your RMT site.

At which point does CCP receive real money.. that's right they didn't.

Also when talking about RMT Sites you will find that a large proportion of their stock of isk comes from buying isk from RL Players. This is much easier then having to employee people to farm 24/7 and if the botters are caught it has nothing to do with them.




VM ware doesnt work the recent round of bot complaints verifies such.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Prince Kobol
#86 - 2012-03-17 19:39:45 UTC
In the example I gave using the VM Ware Hosting Site is just for creating a character to redeem plex and then transfer the isk to somebody else.

On a side note there are several botting programs that are still working via VM Ware without any issues however these bot software do not use OCR but python injection.

The issues the other botting problems are having from what I can tell is one of lag however I believe they have already found a work around.

For me CCP need to do 2 things if they are serious about botting / RMT.

1. Stop the ability to create untraceable accounts

2. Harden the launcher to stop anybody and his dog being able to inject python