EVE General Discussion

I know there are a ton of Dust514 threads already, but here goes another... (tl:dr at the bottom...)

If anyone at CCP is allowed to tell me, I'd like to know how 'realistic' the play is in Dust514. Here's why I'm asking... Although I'm interested in playing Dust, and seeing what new angle it brings to the EVE mix, I'm one of those unfortunate folks who 'suffer' from Simulation Sickness, as some call it. From Wikipedia :


Every single FPS I've either played or watched others play, with one exception, has ended up giving me a killer-migraine that lasts all day, unless I sleep.

So, to get back to my question... How 'realistic' is Dust514? - I'm always hearing how 'realistic' games are getting, but when I go to watch, this is what I typically see...

A soldier of some kind sprinting down a hall at full speed, instantly stopping, turning 90 degrees in the blink of an eye to look for enemies, spinning 180 degrees to headshot someone behind a couch, and suddenly sprinting away at full speed again, in the exact opposite direction, through some hangar, jumping off a ledge at the end, spinning round again mid-air, and hitting the ground running at full speed, whilst launching rockets at helicopters in the sky... etc...

Quickly followed by an involuntary yawn, clamy skin, a blurring of my vision, another yawn or two, then the beginnings of serious pain. No vomiting, though... woot :(

The only FPS I ever played that didn't have that effect on me, was 'America's Army' when it originally came out - I haven't tried subsequent versions. For some reason, I could play that for hours on end, without any problems at all...

So, CCP... Have any of your play testers, even just one, complained of any of the above? I'd like to know before I consider purchasing a new/used PS3...

And if any of you guys or gals who are attending Fanfest this year, take the chance to play it, and feel the same - could you let me know, please? It'd be greatly appreciated.


tl:dr - I like the sound of Dust514, but hate most FPS's, they make me hurt...

Here is a 2 minute gameplay footage video. It doesn't look as fast paced as some; but I'm thinking those players may just be bad. Considering it is powered dropsuits with fittings ... I'd expect it to have a bit of pace to it.

I clicked on this thread expecting outright rage about DUST, left pleasantly suprised.

On another note does this mean you can't spin ships too much??

Hi,

This is difficult to say since gauging "realism" on MMO games can be a subjective thing. One just don't really know if a FPS game will give you motion sickness until you try. That said, there is another way for you to play DUST 514 with maybe a lesser chance of getting motion sickness, and that's with the commander mode. In this mode you can do less of actual FPS shooting, running, etc and concentrate more on the strategic parts of the game. Hope that helps.

Dror - if that's accurate, that's very useful and interesting information - can you share your source/details?

Most FPS games coming out these days are designed for consoles. They're designed around the fact that you typically sit 3-4 meters away from your TV when playing. The Field of View (FOV) is adjusted so that your brain will get a correct depth perception in relation to the game world, with the 3-4 meter gap to the TV in mind.

If you play the same games on PC, you're typically sitting much closer to the monitor, and the depth perception is not correct. Many games have a FOV slider, or console commands so that you can adjust FOV. This should help immensely on the motion sickness you're experiencing.

I don't expect CCP to implement FOV into their game since they're newbies in the genre, but if any dev sees this, take note. Adjustable FOV is a necessity! Humans are different, we got different depth perception, the more you can tailor the game to your own brain and vision, the better it will feel. I used to play the Quake series for maybe 10 years, I set my FOV to 110 because it felt natural to me (not because I wanted an ingame advantage over others). Now after 10 years of 110 degree FOV, I get motion sickness with lower FOVs. You'll typically see 60-75 degrees on console games, which again could work just fine if you're sitting in your couch playing on the TV, but it's just way to low when you're close to a PC monitor.

So what OP is feeling is most likely your brain being confused because items/landmarks in the ingame world is not where the brain would expect them to be, in relation to your realworld landmarks. You're experiencing the realworld surroundings normally, while looking at the gameworld as if zoomed in with a sniper-scope.

Ah that seasick feeling. I used to barf on every SCUBA dive but my instructor was an old school SEAL and so I had to suck it up. Got to a point where I can hurl in mid-sentence and finish what I was saying.


The real question is, is DUST good enough to keep a bucket nearby, or will that bucket be needed for other reasons?

In eve i turn off the "Camera Shake" option or i get very sick. During early testing of Time Dilation on sisi, Eve did make me very nauseous (triggering violent porcelain alter worship).

I've played America's Army 1.4 through to the current AA 3.0 without problem.

Not being motion-sick due to camera shake/movement is one of the reasons i've played both Eve & AA semi-regularly in the past and present.

If it's anything like AA3.0 you should be fine.

I would say that considering the kind of game it is that it would likely give you motion sickness if you are prone to that. I wouldn't expect it to give you more than EvE does though. Usually motion sickess is caused by things like "Motion Blur" which in most games can be turned off. I hope CCP consideres this as an option to disable in DUST.

I feel your pain. The "Camera Shake" while in warp in EvE used to make me start feeling sick so I turned it off. I do the same thing with "Motion Blur" in games for the same reason. It actually becomes more prevalant with larger screens. The larger the screen the worse it is for obvious reasons. God knows I haven't bought a new monitor that is smaller than the previous...

If its 3D compatible then it will "feel" more realistic...I hope its 3D compatible

Some people find 3D nausiating though :( (grammer nerds will let me know if i spelt that correctly)