EVE General Discussion

Don't PVP a lot do you sir?

This game is not made for you. The circumstance that you consider your multi-boxing as something worth mentioning indicates that you would be better off playing a game made by a company who values their customers.

Everytime I see one of these threads I just /faceplam

Why is a 3 year vet with 4 accounts surprised when they are ganked in a system like Agal that is known for ganks, and has recently been publicized as having quite a few?

A few general suggestions:
* Drop the victim mentality. Everything bad that happens to you in EVE is your own fault.
* Don't AFK. This one thing will prevent the vast majority of losses.
* Use dscan constantly to spot incoming combat ships (set the range and filters appropriately).
* Use a Covetor and insure it.
* Fit defensively, or be prepared to pay for losses as a cost of mining.
* Use ECM drones. Don't use them on belt rats; just tank those, or let an Orca take care of them.
* Use a DST instead of an Industrial (the Minmatar Mastodon is second to only the Caldari Bustard for durability and cargo).
* Don't leave the hauler in the belt when it doesn't need to be.
* Spread the fleet out (use a Small Tractor Beam II on the hauler, heck, Orca are bonused for it).
* Overheat hardeners and warp out whenever suspicious, but don't expect to get away from someone already on grid.
* Keep moving if possible, preferably in a direction you can warp.
* Off-grid siege warfare and armor boosters might not help, but they can't hurt.
* Know the system. Check statistics and killmails. Recognize the regulars.
* Pay attention to the local pilot count and chat.
* Set known gankers to -5 so you can spot them easily. Check killboards too.
* Don't mine in a busy system.

If you get ganked:
* Never emo rage about it in local.
* Chat with the attacker in local if possible. Be polite, cordial, and complimentary, even if they trash-talk you.
* Laugh the loss off. It is only a replaceable ship. (Even implants are replaceable.)
* Set the attacker to -5 so you can spot them in the future.
* Move to another system.

Man you need to be smarter go to 0.0 there is many ice belts. Ice mining in 0.0 is almost 100% safe ! Geee... Join 0.0 ally and no more gankers. Everyone need fuel

Dealt with that before, but I will say it again. The only person in 0.0 that you can trust is yourself, and I wouldn't be too sure about that.

There is nothing in 0.0 worth the trip. Even 1 way.

Huh? You are insulting the best response in the thread? One of the few that gave really good information and helpful advice?

How about you GTFO. We don't need self-absorbed whiners that rage like little kids when they lose internet pixels and insult friendly people just trying to help. If the OP would quit EVE, the average playerbase IQ would go up a few notches.

Response to O

Sorry your vent hasn't met with as much sympathy as you might have hoped for, but some of your responses probably added fuel to that fire.

It's not fun to lose a shiny new ship quickly, but sometimes that's the luck of the draw. It's a bit of a bummer that the industrial path is generally less lucrative than others available in this game, but on balance this game does far better than many from the crafting aspect. It's a far cry from games where you actually devalue materials by crafting them. ;


On Recommendations for Miners

I know industry is an up-hill fight, and I know this has to be explained from time to time. However, I still have a hard time believing that the answer to a player who says, "Combat is less fun than mining," can be, "You should PVP more!" I could see, "You might like it better if you got into it more." However, some won't like combat better, and telling those players to get into combat is tantamount to telling them to do something more boring than mining. That's taking it too far! (Only half in jest I'm afraid.)


On the Appeal of Combat

The way I see it, a game can trend toward three main combat analogies:

Lottery Ticket: This is where you enter combat expecting to lose but hoping for the rare high of a good fight, or even a win. It's not that every fight is lopsided against you, but most are.

Poker: This is where you enter combat knowing that sometimes it will favor you and sometimes it won't, but on average it's pretty even.

Shooting Fish in a Barrel: This is where you enter combat knowing the fight is likely to be tilted your way. You'll have an occasional nasty surprise, but you'll meet your objective (which may not be profit) most of the time.

Honestly, for a character who's not interested in being combat-centric or interested in a big corp, I think combat falls into the Lottery Ticket characterization. Some folks like playing the lottery, but I'm not one of them myself. If you're looking for lulz, you can gank as a treat (since it will often not pay for itself), and I'd characterize that as Shooting Fish in a Barrel (if you know what you're doing). However, if you're not the type to rain on someone's praise, you might prefer to steer clear of that.

My primary aversion to combat is that I just don't think I'm very likely to find the Poker game.

The word of Estrelita Nobunaga is probably what you should be following.

Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:

Harassment is just one of the things you have to learn to deal with. A griefer who hangs around 1.0 systems is pretty lame, so, if you let him push you around, you're probably not going to enjoy Eve very much.

Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:

The conversation has been civilized so far. Let's keep it that way. Nor more personal attacks, or posts that have no meaningful comment.

Best response in this thread and you go like this?
You have no brain cells. Now unsubscirbe aleady and spare us your whiney QQ's.
Oh and nobody wants you items.
/whack-a-mole

I dont like it either, suicide ganking hisec miners is silly, and in my books it isnt real pvp at all.

What i think CCP should do is to raise exhumers EHP, so suicide ganking would become more expensive or they could introduce new type of battlehulk equipped with some guns and heavier armor or some kind of automatic countermeasures AFK miners could use

I think its silly that u need so much skillpoints to get into Hulk in order to do some veldspar mining. This makes no sense at all if u compare it to much more profitable gas mining, that u can do in any ship. Hulks and macks are also redicilously pricey compared to their properties.