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Is the Titan nerf announced for April CCP kowtowing to GOONs?

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-03-14 17:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
If Titan pilots think this is the end of EVE for them then they really are one track small minded players. There is SO MUCH to do in this game that is fun and doesn't require a bloody Titan...And to all the peole who say "I put so much time and ISK into (whatever)" well welcome to Real Life... Oops I forgot this is a game and not like real life, bla bla bla...
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-03-14 18:09:11 UTC
Skydell wrote:
There was a cry for the nerfing of Titan blobs. That happend a year ago and a year prior to that. Solo Titans die fast to this day. I'd say there is an over reaction on both sides.


Nobody is talking about solo titans. We're talking about unkillable blobs of titans one-shotting frigates, cruisers and battleships.

Quote:
- This nerf won't make it easy to kill titans. The isolated cases where Titans were doing things maybe they shouldn't have were not decisive to the battle.


This particular nerf isn't supposed to address the ease or difficulty of killing titans. It's addressing how overpowered titan tracking is.

Quote:
- Titan pilots always needed subcap support and Super Carrier backup. Any Titan pilot selling his Titan because they can't snipe battleships in low sec should never have been in a Titan in the first place.


Again, we aren't talking about solo titans in lowsec. We're talking about unkillable blobs of 50 titans.

Quote:
The forum rage will be another CNN Breaking news event. Here today, gone tommorow. Super Cap fleets will still be the mainstay of large Null Sov wars. They will just include 1400 supcaps.


Good. The more the merrier. Why should nullsec warfare be limited to people with 70 million skillpoints and an expensive ship they got through RMT?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Ruthless Erection
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-03-14 18:31:15 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
If Titan pilots think this is the end of EVE for them then they really are one track small minded players. There is SO MUCH to do in this game that is fun and doesn't require a bloody Titan...And to all the peole who say "I put so much time and ISK into (whatever)" well welcome to Real Life... Oops I forgot this is a game and not like real life, bla bla bla...


So hold up, let me get this straight, theres more to do after achieving Titan skills? The ****?

It takes 1+ years to be a DECENTLY skilled Titan pilot, 1.5+ years to be an awesome Titan pilot, maxed out everything, including leadership, which would push the final time to 2 years.


That's 2 years of training down the ******* drain. Oh did I mention the 100billion isk we spent on mods, and the hull?


In the long run, this is actually CCP's fault. They should've known this was going to happen, and should've started working on this problem a long time ago.
Ruthless Erection
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-03-14 18:43:36 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Skydell wrote:
There was a cry for the nerfing of Titan blobs. That happend a year ago and a year prior to that. Solo Titans die fast to this day. I'd say there is an over reaction on both sides.


Nobody is talking about solo titans. We're talking about unkillable blobs of titans one-shotting frigates, cruisers and battleships.

Quote:
- This nerf won't make it easy to kill titans. The isolated cases where Titans were doing things maybe they shouldn't have were not decisive to the battle.


This particular nerf isn't supposed to address the ease or difficulty of killing titans. It's addressing how overpowered titan tracking is.

Quote:
- Titan pilots always needed subcap support and Super Carrier backup. Any Titan pilot selling his Titan because they can't snipe battleships in low sec should never have been in a Titan in the first place.


Again, we aren't talking about solo titans in lowsec. We're talking about unkillable blobs of 50 titans.

Quote:
The forum rage will be another CNN Breaking news event. Here today, gone tommorow. Super Cap fleets will still be the mainstay of large Null Sov wars. They will just include 1400 supcaps.


Good. The more the merrier. Why should nullsec warfare be limited to people with 70 million skillpoints and an expensive ship they got through RMT?



Another Goon trying to make it out like they don't have a titan/supercap blob. I lol so hard.

a person or thing of enormous size, strength, power, influence, etc.
Quoted from Dictionary.com. I highlighted the important part.
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#85 - 2012-03-14 18:43:39 UTC
Even Titan owners were expecting a tracking nerf. The scan res nerf is a bit too much IMO. I mean 15 or 20 but 5?? That's a bit extreme...

http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#86 - 2012-03-14 19:17:15 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
If Titan pilots think this is the end of EVE for them then they really are one track small minded players. There is SO MUCH to do in this game that is fun and doesn't require a bloody Titan...And to all the peole who say "I put so much time and ISK into (whatever)" well welcome to Real Life... Oops I forgot this is a game and not like real life, bla bla bla...


So hold up, let me get this straight, theres more to do after achieving Titan skills? The ****?

It takes 1+ years to be a DECENTLY skilled Titan pilot, 1.5+ years to be an awesome Titan pilot, maxed out everything, including leadership, which would push the final time to 2 years.


That's 2 years of training down the ******* drain. Oh did I mention the 100billion isk we spent on mods, and the hull?


In the long run, this is actually CCP's fault. They should've known this was going to happen, and should've started working on this problem a long time ago.


Actually they did. People just didn't realize how extreme CCP would be with thier desire to remove them from the game and not actually have to give back the SP.

Think about the original Titan in EVE with the AoE Doomsday, compare it to the Titan we have now. Anyone even thinking about Supers at this stage has rocks in thier head. Super Carriers are due for a few dozen more papercut nerfs next, once people figure out it's quicker to pop sieged dreads with fighter bombers because Titan Scan res and lock cap make that, the only thing they can still do unrealistic.

2 years of Skill Points directed at one ship. It kind of makes the nano nerf look trivial.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-03-14 19:35:37 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
If Titan pilots think this is the end of EVE for them then they really are one track small minded players. There is SO MUCH to do in this game that is fun and doesn't require a bloody Titan...And to all the peole who say "I put so much time and ISK into (whatever)" well welcome to Real Life... Oops I forgot this is a game and not like real life, bla bla bla...


So hold up, let me get this straight, theres more to do after achieving Titan skills? The ****?

It takes 1+ years to be a DECENTLY skilled Titan pilot, 1.5+ years to be an awesome Titan pilot, maxed out everything, including leadership, which would push the final time to 2 years.


That's 2 years of training down the ******* drain. Oh did I mention the 100billion isk we spent on mods, and the hull?

So who exactly twisted your arm and forced you to do this? In a game where you have NO control over what the developers are going to do in the future? And 100 Billion what? Fake in GAME money. Big loss...
School Nickname Worldmonkey
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2012-03-14 19:48:23 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
If Titan pilots think this is the end of EVE for them then they really are one track small minded players. There is SO MUCH to do in this game that is fun and doesn't require a bloody Titan...And to all the peole who say "I put so much time and ISK into (whatever)" well welcome to Real Life... Oops I forgot this is a game and not like real life, bla bla bla...


So hold up, let me get this straight, theres more to do after achieving Titan skills? The ****?

It takes 1+ years to be a DECENTLY skilled Titan pilot, 1.5+ years to be an awesome Titan pilot, maxed out everything, including leadership, which would push the final time to 2 years.


That's 2 years of training down the ******* drain. Oh did I mention the 100billion isk we spent on mods, and the hull?


Well then you shouldn't have gone out of your way to constantly hotdrop frigate/BC gangs with titan blobs and then gloat about it. Your continued actions were bound to cause this sort of reprisal, yet you were too arrogant to see the train coming down the tracks. You simply could have limited your hotdrops and actually used titans to bolster subcap fleets, increase force projection, etc. It's your own fault that Titans had to be nerfed and now other pilots who used their titans for the good of their alliance have to deal with the consequences.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#89 - 2012-03-14 20:01:43 UTC
School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:


Well then you shouldn't have gone out of your way to constantly hotdrop frigate/BC gangs with titan blobs and then gloat about it. Your continued actions were bound to cause this sort of reprisal, yet you were too arrogant to see the train coming down the tracks. You simply could have limited your hotdrops and actually used titans to bolster subcap fleets, increase force projection, etc. It's your own fault that Titans had to be nerfed and now other pilots who used their titans for the good of their alliance have to deal with the consequences.


I don't ever remember anyone complaing about Raiden doing that. PL did, quite often but in 6 months it will be Raiden who see your Blobs, not PL won't it?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#90 - 2012-03-14 20:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Doc Severide wrote:
So who exactly twisted your arm and forced you to do this? In a game where you have NO control over what the developers are going to do in the future? And 100 Billion what? Fake in GAME money. Big loss...


You are assuming he didn't spend agreat deal in PLEXs to finance this Titan (which I hear many titan pilots have) which translates into RL money indirectly. If I spent RL plex & a year + of trainning I'd be howling too. NERF BAT is a horrible tool and never should be used IMHO a better solution would be buffing something or some other counter. All these NERFs reminds me of the eye for an eye arguement (look at my toon not only am I blind my tin foil hat has a receding line ):
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2012-03-14 20:36:52 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:

Another Goon trying to make it out like they don't have a titan/supercap blob. I lol so hard


When have we ever denied having our own supercap fleet? We have one of the biggest fleets in the game and we are fine with the nerfs because we see how overpowered they are.

If you want to be mad at somebody blame all the horrible alliances that have been exploiting titans for the last couple years by blowing up frigates with them and bragging about how ~elite~ they are.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2012-03-14 20:39:14 UTC
Ocih wrote:
School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:


Well then you shouldn't have gone out of your way to constantly hotdrop frigate/BC gangs with titan blobs and then gloat about it. Your continued actions were bound to cause this sort of reprisal, yet you were too arrogant to see the train coming down the tracks. You simply could have limited your hotdrops and actually used titans to bolster subcap fleets, increase force projection, etc. It's your own fault that Titans had to be nerfed and now other pilots who used their titans for the good of their alliance have to deal with the consequences.


I don't ever remember anyone complaing about Raiden doing that. PL did, quite often but in 6 months it will be Raiden who see your Blobs, not PL won't it?


RaidenDOT and NCDOT are just as guilty as PL. Go look at who is really howling about this change (hint: it's those three aliances).

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-03-14 20:40:28 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
So who exactly twisted your arm and forced you to do this? In a game where you have NO control over what the developers are going to do in the future? And 100 Billion what? Fake in GAME money. Big loss...


You are assuming he didn't spend agreat deal in PLEXs to finance this Titan (which I hear many titan pilots have) which translates into RL money indirectly. If I spent RL plex & a year + of trainning I'd be howling too. NERF BAT is a horrible tool and never should be used IMHO a better solution would be buffing something or some other counter. All these NERFs reminds me of the eye for an eye arguement (look at my toon not only am I blind my tin foil hat has a receding line ):


Are you actually stating that the people who spend the most RL money should always win? Are you sure that's where you want the game to go?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#94 - 2012-03-14 21:07:11 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:
That's 2 years of training down the ******* drain. Oh did I mention the 100billion isk we spent on mods, and the hull?
No. That's two months down the drain, since you can still make use of the rest of the skills, and it's only down the drain if you cannot think of a single other thing to do with your titan than shoot subcaps…

…in which case you never got past the “decently skilled” part. Same goes for the cost: it's only down the drain if you never learned how to use the thing, and in that case, it was a silly investment to make anyway.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#95 - 2012-03-14 21:16:35 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ocih wrote:
School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:


Well then you shouldn't have gone out of your way to constantly hotdrop frigate/BC gangs with titan blobs and then gloat about it. Your continued actions were bound to cause this sort of reprisal, yet you were too arrogant to see the train coming down the tracks. You simply could have limited your hotdrops and actually used titans to bolster subcap fleets, increase force projection, etc. It's your own fault that Titans had to be nerfed and now other pilots who used their titans for the good of their alliance have to deal with the consequences.


I don't ever remember anyone complaing about Raiden doing that. PL did, quite often but in 6 months it will be Raiden who see your Blobs, not PL won't it?


RaidenDOT and NCDOT are just as guilty as PL. Go look at who is really howling about this change (hint: it's those three aliances).


I don't tend to feel bad for an Alliance, any alliance in EVE. I try and see it from the individual Pilots perspective. I still haven't been assimilated in to the whole communist, hegemony mindset of EVE.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2012-03-14 21:19:44 UTC
Ocih wrote:
I don't tend to feel bad for an Alliance, any alliance in EVE. I try and see it from the individual Pilots perspective. I still haven't been assimilated in to the whole communist, hegemony mindset of EVE.


Those alliances don't treat their titan pilots as individuals so why should you? Besides, it's not like the individual pilots didn't know they were exploiting a broken game mechanic...don't feel bad for them.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-03-14 22:25:06 UTC
these tears are delicious
Galatea Galilei
Summa Universalia
#98 - 2012-03-14 22:28:05 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
I actually don't care 1 way or the other...

If this were true, you wouldn't have created this thread to begin with.

Can't comment on the rest since I usually stop reading at the first blatantly obvious lie and/or troll...
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#99 - 2012-03-14 22:34:42 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I don't tend to feel bad for an Alliance, any alliance in EVE. I try and see it from the individual Pilots perspective. I still haven't been assimilated in to the whole communist, hegemony mindset of EVE.


Those alliances don't treat their titan pilots as individuals so why should you? Besides, it's not like the individual pilots didn't know they were exploiting a broken game mechanic...don't feel bad for them.


It's an ethics thing.

Maybe one day EVE will slip up and I will be the benefactor of one of these "broken mechanics" that don't cost someone else thier game. Goonswarm will be on my cleaning list Smile
Stephanie Thomas
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-03-14 23:24:50 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ruthless Erection wrote:

Another Goon trying to make it out like they don't have a titan/supercap blob. I lol so hard


When have we ever denied having our own supercap fleet? We have one of the biggest fleets in the game and we are fine with the nerfs because we see how overpowered they are.

If you want to be mad at somebody blame all the horrible alliances that have been exploiting titans for the last couple years by blowing up frigates with them and bragging about how ~elite~ they are.



geez Louise!!!! big bad alliances killing friggies with titans???/ omg, do you need your momma to hold your hand still?
whatsa matter hotshots? afraid you're going to get the crap beat out of you unless you fight with something that has over 1,000 times the hitpoints than a little defenseless friggy?
to all you titan pilots that have done just that, you're really sad. P can I haz your stuff? guess the failing economy hasn't hit your asses too hard if you all have shiny toys in your hangars. moon goo my gf's tush.
RMT for life!!!! Smile