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The Per-PLEX-ing problem CCP
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#1 - 2012-03-14 06:58:00 UTC
Right now there are 1196 Plex in all of the Forge (most in Jita)
For a game with login 20-50K and 400K subs that's not very many. Supply is down, we can all put that much to paper with little effort.

You guys just emailed me a "deal" on PLEX.
6 for $105

I have 4 accounts, $15 X 4 = $60
Suppose I want to buy 2 PLEX because I am too lazy to grind ISK for whatever reason.
$35 is 2 PLEX standard.

$60 for Subs + $35 for PLEX

How is $105 a deal again?
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#2 - 2012-03-14 07:01:46 UTC
1 plex = $20

20 x 6 = 120

120 > 105


Math: It can be hard sometimes...

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#3 - 2012-03-14 07:03:32 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Right now there are 1196 Plex in all of the Forge (most in Jita)
For a game with login 20-50K and 400K subs that's not very many. Supply is down, we can all put that much to paper with little effort.

You guys just emailed me a "deal" on PLEX.
6 for $105

I have 4 accounts, $15 X 4 = $60
Suppose I want to buy 2 PLEX because I am too lazy to grind ISK for whatever reason.
$35 is 2 PLEX standard.

$60 for Subs + $35 for PLEX

How is $105 a deal again?


Once upon a time we paid for 90 day GTCs what we currently pay for 30 day PLEX. In ISK.

PLEX don't seem like a very good marketing tool or business model when you think about it like that.

Or if you just take your example, for that matter.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-14 12:27:44 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Right now there are 1196 Plex in all of the Forge (most in Jita)
For a game with login 20-50K and 400K subs that's not very many. Supply is down, we can all put that much to paper with little effort.

You guys just emailed me a "deal" on PLEX.
6 for $105

I have 4 accounts, $15 X 4 = $60
Suppose I want to buy 2 PLEX because I am too lazy to grind ISK for whatever reason.
$35 is 2 PLEX standard.

$60 for Subs + $35 for PLEX

How is $105 a deal again?


Plex cost more then normal subs. Think of it as a convenience charge, or an RMT tax.
malaire
#5 - 2012-03-14 12:53:07 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Normal per-PLEX price is 17.495 USD/EUR so for 6 PLEX 104.97 USD/EUR is normal price, not "a deal".

Buying only 1 PLEX is exception and costs 19.95 USD/EUR. And then there are occasional special offers with reduced prices (none currently).

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#6 - 2012-03-14 13:00:13 UTC
Aside from Darth Gustav, I think you all missed the point.

There are under 2000 Plex in the Forge. Half of them are over 500 mill.

I can have $95 come out of my account or $105 come out of my account and get the exact same result. It's a sham-wow deal. Or you are just hard wired to be contrary. Either way, I won't be buying Plex.
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2012-03-14 13:03:36 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Aside from Darth Gustav, I think you all missed the point.

There are under 2000 Plex in the Forge. Half of them are over 500 mill.

I can have $95 come out of my account or $105 come out of my account and get the exact same result. It's a sham-wow deal. Or you are just hard wired to be contrary. Either way, I won't be buying Plex.


Thanks for letting us know.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-03-14 13:07:10 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Aside from Darth Gustav, I think you all missed the point.

There are under 2000 Plex in the Forge. Half of them are over 500 mill.

I can have $95 come out of my account or $105 come out of my account and get the exact same result. It's a sham-wow deal. Or you are just hard wired to be contrary. Either way, I won't be buying Plex.



People don't buy PLEX from CCP to extend their game time, they buy them simply to raise ISK in-game.

If people stop buying those PLEX in-game with ISK, then the price of PLEX on the market will drop.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#9 - 2012-03-14 13:07:23 UTC
Pheusia wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Aside from Darth Gustav, I think you all missed the point.

There are under 2000 Plex in the Forge. Half of them are over 500 mill.

I can have $95 come out of my account or $105 come out of my account and get the exact same result. It's a sham-wow deal. Or you are just hard wired to be contrary. Either way, I won't be buying Plex.


Thanks for letting us know.


Your desire to participate is noted.
Field Artillery
Dust 515
#10 - 2012-03-14 13:08:44 UTC
I like what you've done in the threat title
Per-PLEX-ing
heheh i get it
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-03-14 13:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cindy Marco
Skydell wrote:
Aside from Darth Gustav, I think you all missed the point.

There are under 2000 Plex in the Forge. Half of them are over 500 mill.

I can have $95 come out of my account or $105 come out of my account and get the exact same result. It's a sham-wow deal. Or you are just hard wired to be contrary. Either way, I won't be buying Plex.


Read my other post, Plex are not a good deal compared to a sub. They aren't meant to be. Even if you buy the EVE physical time cards they are more than the monthly fee.

They basically include a convenience fee, its just not labeled as such.

The 6 plex deal your looking at is going to be used by people that want to RMT w/o getting banned. People that are looking for a "deal" aren't buying plex to use for a sub, they are buying plex to sell them.

The people subbing with Isk aren't the ones buying them, they are people who would rather spend their isk then real money to play.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#12 - 2012-03-14 13:40:33 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Aside from Darth Gustav, I think you all missed the point.

There are under 2000 Plex in the Forge. Half of them are over 500 mill.

I can have $95 come out of my account or $105 come out of my account and get the exact same result. It's a sham-wow deal. Or you are just hard wired to be contrary. Either way, I won't be buying Plex.


Read my other post, Plex are not a good deal compared to a sub. They aren't meant to be. Even if you buy the EVE physical time cards they are more than the monthly fee.

They basically include a convenience fee, its just not labeled as such.

The 6 plex deal your looking at is going to be used by people that want to RMT w/o getting banned. People that are looking for a "deal" aren't buying plex to use for a sub, they are buying plex to sell them.

The people subbing with Isk aren't the ones buying them, they are people who would rather spend their isk then real money to play.


I completely understand what you are saying.
I've always bought PLEX because I was told it was a player subsidy system. Allowing people to play that might not have been able to otherwise. Either way, nobody is buying them right now but maybe Plex need to go to 750 and maybe CCP will see this from my point of view.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#13 - 2012-03-14 14:03:31 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Aside from Darth Gustav, I think you all missed the point.

There are under 2000 Plex in the Forge. Half of them are over 500 mill.

I can have $95 come out of my account or $105 come out of my account and get the exact same result. It's a sham-wow deal. Or you are just hard wired to be contrary. Either way, I won't be buying Plex.


but you can't convert your 4 subs into isk I think is the point

the extra 5 bucks pays for the ability to net 2.4 billion isk instead of 800m isk

is it a deal for subscriptions? no its not
is it a deal for sanctioned RMT?, yes... sort of