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RvB. Worth Joining?

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Soporo
#21 - 2012-03-08 03:38:29 UTC
To Op: Yes.
Random, possibly helpfull, unsolicited advice forthcoming.

Make sure you have enough isk/ships/fittings BEFORE you join. If needed, pull up Red and Blue on EVE-Kill kb or somehting and check out basic t1 fits. Calculate what all you you want to fly (t1frig and t1cruiser or dessy), get 20 of them, bring them to relevant HQ + ammo+sundry, then put in app and nag daily until you get picked up. Oh, and get a decent mic that will work with EVE Voice, unlike my 10 dolla piece of sh*t.Sad

Ie: don't be the guy in the pvp Ibis (true story actually) flying with the frig gang. I mean, props for balls and tenacity and all, but...Big smile

As for the other guys asking about faction stuff, t2 ships, inty's or other pimpness occuring: I didnt see hardly any of that at all, unless it was third party war stuff, then it was gloves off for the most part. Thing is, if you fly pimp, EVERY tom **** and harry in the region wants you on a t1 generated km to admire. Even in just a Harpy or lolGridWhatsThatHawk you get primaried sometimes. Leastways, that has been my experience.

Ps: If you DO fly pimpness, have few pvp skills and have tons of cash, join RedFed.Smile

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#22 - 2012-03-08 10:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Broadly, yes.

To learn? No.

RvB is certainly an environment where you can learn PVP, but it will not teach you anything. You need to do that yourself.

My experience of RvB consisted of 3 groups of players:

- Meta 0 fit Rifters used in fleets to grind killmails. Failed to see the appeal of orbit @500 + F1 over and over again all day. Fleets are nothing but blob vs blob with someone inevitably whining that Red had a one more destroyer than blue, or blue had a cruiser, that's "worth" 4 Rifters, etc.

- Soloists who used out of corp booster alts and usually flew with slaves. 400mm AB Rifter tanking 10k damage and going 1500m/s? Yup.

- Small groups (3 to 4) guys looking for similar groups to shoot. This was where I had most fun. I'm told this has been lost in favour of fleets which, if true, would be sad.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Valerius Anthar
Nuts Butts and EuroSluts
#23 - 2012-03-08 13:28:42 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Broadly, yes.

To learn? No.

RvB is certainly an environment where you can learn PVP, but it will not teach you anything. You need to do that yourself.

My experience of RvB consisted of 3 groups of players:

- Meta 0 fit Rifters used in fleets to grind killmails. Failed to see the appeal of orbit @500 + F1 over and over again all day. Fleets are nothing but blob vs blob with someone inevitably whining that Red had a one more destroyer than blue, or blue had a cruiser, that's "worth" 4 Rifters, etc.

- Soloists who used out of corp booster alts and usually flew with slaves. 400mm AB Rifter tanking 10k damage and going 1500m/s? Yup.

- Small groups (3 to 4) guys looking for similar groups to shoot. This was where I had most fun. I'm told this has been lost in favour of fleets which, if true, would be sad.


This has been my experience so far.

Don't get me wrong, rifter mass blobs are fun as heck. And I've been having fun in the big fights most of the time. But as for learning anything really useful, not really. I mean, one could argue in nullsec they blob, but there's usually more thought into fleet composition, ranges, etc, and they're even larger, so coordination and fcing require alot of logistics.

The soloists are ok I guess, slightly annoying at times when they warp to 400 km off blue or red hq and expect 1v1s, but only in frigs! Invariably, they end up destroying everything until people realize how much cash he's sunk into that thing and brings along a similarly blinged out assault frigate.

Haven't found any small groups yet. Maybe in low sec there are some, got to watch out for some of the residents though, they have no restrictions on what kind of firepower they can bring to bear, so if you went out in your cheap RvB lolfrig it wouldn't do very well.
Sinderblock
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-03-08 15:13:26 UTC
Soporo wrote:
To Op: Yes.

As for the other guys asking about faction stuff, t2 ships, inty's or other pimpness occuring: I didnt see hardly any of that at all, unless it was third party war stuff, then it was gloves off for the most part. Thing is, if you fly pimp, EVERY tom **** and harry in the region wants you on a t1 generated km to admire. Even in just a Harpy or lolGridWhatsThatHawk you get primaried sometimes. Leastways, that has been my experience.

Ps: If you DO fly pimpness, have few pvp skills and have tons of cash, join RedFed.Smile



This is good to hear. After looking over the killboards it appears frigs are the primary ship choice. Last time I was in Red Fed there weren't nearly as many participants and a lot of Wolfs, Jags, and other t2 ships were being flown around making it frustrating to fly cheaper stuff (to the point were I sold off all my t1 frigs except for a hand full of merlins Cry . Looks like Red HQ is no longer in Halle so I'll be moving some stuff Smile
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#25 - 2012-03-08 23:31:29 UTC
I think there is some truth in allot of what has been said about rvb.

RvB was a great learning experience and allot of fun for me. And I may go back to it if fw gets stale again.

I mostly did the solo stuff. I would fly relatively expensive ships usually spending about 12 mil for t1 frigate. Although I didn't have pirate implants at the time, and I never used a booster alt for a solo fight. I did get allot of good solo fights when I was there against allot of very good pvpers.

It is true that the rvb environment is somewhat more sterile than the rest of the eve universe. However, that is good in allot of ways. It helps you focus in on how to fit and pilot your ship. This should be your first goal if you want to be a good pilot. You don't want to go looking for solo fights before you know what to do when you find one. Once you have the fitting and piloting down then you can go looking for solo fights in other parts of eve.

FW is really the only thing that comes close to rvb as far as getting allot of fights in a short amount of time. But rvb even beats fw out by a considerable margin when it comes to fights per hour.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2012-03-09 00:02:16 UTC
I have an alt in RvB, it owns and I'd highly suggest it.

~

GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-03-09 01:10:26 UTC
Everything people have already said is true. TBH it is what you make of it. There are plenty of ppl solo'n at all hours of the day and there are generally people on that are up for a small group run. Any fight.. be it arranged or not can be a learning experience if you make it that. People complain about arranged fights and such but what is the alternative... outnumbering/outclassing your opponent to the extent that there is no real danger? I've done that side of fighting and it seems to be more of a rush to land on grid knowing you are fairly equal in ship classes and it will come down to target calling and individuals utilizing their fits correctly (range and management of the field)

Since I have joined we have also had several 3rd party decks that were fun since usually getting decked by a Neutral RR Alliance is BS. In RVB within minutes we had a 40+ fleet ready to go. Had a blast chaging from RvB to RvB versus everyone else and everyone switching into their shiny ships. All in all RvB has offered regular fights with people of all skill ranges, good fc's who allow others to give it a go which really is fun too. Plus losing a ship in RvB won't get your corp mates rage logging for a few hours then complaining for the rest of the week. Give it a shot if you like.

Mike
Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#28 - 2012-03-09 15:13:20 UTC
It's really up to you if you learn from it, while RvB doesn't teach pvp if your the sort of person who likes to dive in and learn things the hard way then it will suit you.

What RvB is about is cheap quick access to pvp, it isn't perfect by any means but it's fun.

If you do join be sure to get all your stuff moved beforehand make some bookmarks/instawarps and put in your application and join the forums.


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Drac
Saladin Boneslash
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-03-09 16:02:27 UTC
I was in RvB for a few weeks early in my career. I honestly didn't learn all that much regarding fleet tactics, or a lot of piloting skills that translate into the open pvp environment, but I did get a decent amount of fighting experience. And it was of some benefit in gaining situational awareness and learning a few things about gate mechanics.

The main benefit that it provided for me, though, was to help get over the nerves factor. While I still get a bit of 'the shakes" sometimes as I'm setting up for wormhole pvp, etc, my short experience in RvB helped me get used to losing ships and being in fights. Risking a T1 frigate in combat is not exactly the same as risking a 250 mill T2 cruiser, but it makes a nice stepping-stone between running missions and that open pvp environment. That in itself is a valuable bit, and I highly recommend a stint in RvB for anyone starting out in a pvp-focused career.
cratais
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-03-10 12:49:47 UTC
I joined rvb after applying to Agony and being told that I needed more pvp experiance guess 30 kills was to low but in the month or so I been in rvb my kill stats jumped up to 190 kills and 45 losses so while you won't learn any specialized fleet tactics since the typical rvb tactic is find enemy fleet jump into enemy fleet and blow stuff up while hoping your lucky enough to survive then after fights over its gf's in local with both sides going to their respective hq's reshipping and doing it all over again but it is a great place to up your kb stats so if you decide to one day head off to null sec what ever corp or alliance you decide to join can look at your kb and say wow this person isn't afraid of pvp and possibly getting blown up.
Stukkler Tian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-03-10 23:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Stukkler Tian
I spent some time in rvb, so i guess i will throw in my two cents.

There are alot of rifter and cruiser blobs but.....This does not mean you cant solo. rvb is a great place to teach yourself how to spit up and pick at blobs.

You fly cheap ships but... its still pretty expensive, expect to loose 2-5 frigs a day along with a cruiser here and there.

Its a good place to learn but..like a few other have said they will not teach you (some of the directors/ceos occasionally help out new players.)

Its a very good place to find honest 1v1 but.. alot of people do use very flashy implants, (the out of corp booster thing was more of a boogeyman than an actual problem when i was there)

there are some really good guys in RvB but....there is a steady stream of dbags passing through who spend there three days in corp in a tornado farming killmails.

RvB is alot of fun but it is hardly a haven for new players, join get blown up alot blow up a few ships and if you dont like it then leave.


Edit: The worst mistake you can make in RvB is to just sit in staion waiting for a fleet, undock and go find fun yourself.
Cletus Graeme
Shai Dorsai
#32 - 2012-03-11 03:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cletus Graeme
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Broadly, yes.
To learn? No.
RvB is certainly an environment where you can learn PVP, but it will not teach you anything. You need to do that yourself.


This.

RvB, FW, lowsec, 0.0 etc. will all provide you with the opportunity to learn - but YOU make it happen by going out and finding the kind of fights that you are looking for.

You said you want to learn small gang and solo - so, which of these arenas is best for that? None of them. All of them.

It depends on you. You can spend your days as a lemming following the herd of 25/50/100/200 as they roam around ganking everything in sight or you can grab a few buddies and head out into the wide blue yonder to see what you can kill before you all die :)

Stukkler Tian wrote:
Edit: The worst mistake you can make in RvB is to just sit in staion waiting for a fleet, undock and go find fun yourself.


So true! This applies to EVE not just RvB.
Sadly too many people prefer to play like sheep rather than wolves - the choice is yours.
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-03-11 08:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Willl Adama
I spent my first half year of 'real' eve pvp in RvB and I've never regretted that.

You wont find more easily accessible pvp anywhere in this game, and there's a bunch of chill dudes in there. It kinda grew old on me after some time though, but it's definately perfect as a first pvp experience.

Also, you should definately check out the 'my eve' section of this forum for pvp videos


Edit: oh btw, I actually made a couple of videos from my time in RvB (mostly solo stuff), check this out if interested:

Hi

Enduring Pugilist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-03-14 21:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Enduring Pugilist
Current RvB member adding my bit.

It's definitely worth it, although I'll agree with what others have said that it can be a somewhat artificial PvP environment. That said, I also agree that it is entirely what you make of it. Frigate blobs, excessive up-shipping and people with tricked out clones/off-grid boosters do happen, but if you view it more as a challenge rather than sitting in station and complaining about it, you can take away a lot of good experience. Fleet work and gangs are great to get a taste of PvP experience and get used to the jitters, but you'll learn the most in my opinion if you do some solo flying and deliberately treat RvB more like a real PvP environment.

Don't be afraid to attack things bigger than you or engage around higher numbers

Even though most action is easy to find, practice your d-scan and hunting down targets

If you want to learn, don't fly expensive/overpowered ships. You're only cheating yourself, and there's a chance you'll end up as just another mediocre, risk-averse pilot with a crippling reliance on an Isk/up-ship advantage.

Go on solo roams in lowsec once you feel a little more confident so you don't lose your edge. If you're in a t1 frigate it'll be a challenge, but great fun too.

Figure out who the most dangerous pilots are on both sides. Take notes.

Always fight as if you're going to be podded.


To give you an idea of where I'm coming from - I have little patience for blobbing so I fly almost exclusively solo , generally in a rifter. I'm based in Blue's headquarters so I'm almost always outnumbered. If you lean towards fleet action, go for it - we have a number of great FCs who try to even fleets as best they can, and there are a lot of awesome, friendly people in RvB. If you lean solo, there are many of us out there too - just know it'll often be an uphill battle, and you'll blow up a lot.

Hope this added something, maybe we'll see you out there man.

Edit:
Meant to say this as well. You will pop and get popped a lot. Look at those KMs, study fittings, experiment with your own. Familiarize yourself with typical fittings for ships - it's a huge part of a fight, in my experience, to be able to gauge quickly how the other guy is likely fitted and react accordingly.
Vordak Kallager
Goryn Clade
#35 - 2012-03-14 22:01:38 UTC
Also, as the head of recruiting for my PvP corp, I tend to look more favorably on applicants from RvB as opposed to someone from Eve-Uni. So if you have the choice between RvB and Eve-Uni for learning PvP, lean towards RvB.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#36 - 2012-03-15 15:38:52 UTC
It really depends on what you're looking for. On the plus side there's frequent combat, and both sides tend to have a static fleet up for you to join. On the down side, there aren't too many opportunities for solo or small skirmish (2-6 players) warfare. For instance I frequently have fights that start off as a solo vs a small group only to have 20+ warp in on my location once the engagement starts. So if you're looking to hone your combat skills it's probably not the best place, but it is a good entry point to learn the basics.

Personally, I prefer the solo/skirmish warfare FW since it tends to offer a wider variety of encounters (solo - caps) and doesn't have the empty systems or politics found in 0.0.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#37 - 2012-03-16 20:06:23 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
RvB is fun if you want on demand pew.

If, however, you

a) are turned off by contrived environments (can't be podded, it's hisec arranged fights)
b) dislike blob warfare (gotta love those rifter blobs they got going on)
c) aspire to be a solid combat pilot in truly dangerous situations

then you need to look at other options than RVB.

If you want to learn how to solo or do small gang in an uncontrolled environment, RvB is not the place to do it.

Otherwise, RVB is a solid institution for the market it serves.


d) really like electronic warfare

Though I might join myself in a bit. Some big breaks have left my combat instincts rusty. Oops

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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-03-17 02:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
One important thing to remember when doing PvP in a Rifter is that you are learning to fight in a less than 1 million ISK, all modules included, frigate. Oh sure, it's a very lethal 1 million ISK. Very, very lethal for the price.

But, a newbie player jet-can "mining" in a mining Frigate with a 500,000 ISK industrial "hauler" can easily make 1 million ISK AN HOUR mining. Mining veldspar.

So when somebody butchers you with a ship that costs 20 times as much as yours.... well yeah, they should win. They really should win even if they were complete morons. Though the Rifter is deadly enough that you can actually win if they are.

And it took them less than two hours to get the ISK for that ship, so they aren't flying some sort of "elite" ship either.

The Rifter is very, very deadly for it's price, but it is also very, very cheap. If you have learned how to make ISK at all, you should be able to lose 10 in a weekend and come out with a positive ISK balance.

Causally playing.
Cyrus Sarn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-03-17 06:38:47 UTC
I've learned quite a bit.

There are always fleets up or blue guys flying around in frigates to fight.

I've never not found a fight in RvB. I lost ten rifters in an hour the other day.

I'm mastering the fine art of making cheap and effective ships.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#40 - 2012-03-19 17:26:18 UTC
To expand on my previous answer, I recently rejoined RvB as something to do whilst my playtime is limited.

I recommend ignoring the greens completely and fly around as a soloist looking for fights (not necessarily 1v1 ..) - this will teach you how to pick fights if you ever want to roam solo outside of RvB.

Most people tend to be fleeted so backup arrives very quickly, so try to have an exit strategy in your fights, or all solo engagements will turn into a loss with 10 people on your mail. You can, of course, ask for a 1 v 1 .... but I feel this is artificial ;)

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