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What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#61 - 2012-03-10 04:37:56 UTC
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2) NEWFLASH... see that solo miner in the Bantam mining veldspar with 2 lasers? Guess what... hes a paying customer too, should CCP give him billions also... based on what you say everyone who can't do incursions should/would leave EVE (More CCP doomsday threats if the IWIN button is removed)


The miner has the iwin button too. The choice to press it is his.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Nambr1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-03-10 05:34:39 UTC
Xyla Vulchanus wrote:
What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?

Inflation


True

... but they r not reason of main inflation. Moons r main reason (0.0 space) and incursions r way to make balance between 0.0 and hi sec. There is less risk in hi sec, but u cant force ppl to play any game style. Everyone is paying same price for eve so ccp must make every1 happy.

Before moon fever gtc 90 days was 240 mil, then gtc 60 days was 500-600 mil and when inc came price jumped to 1 bil.

So if ccp nerf inc and moons for 40%, get better tracking on anomalies bots (dotlan map is good way for that to see in every 0.0 region) everything will be in nice place.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#63 - 2012-03-10 06:51:48 UTC
Hm, as someone pointed out moon mining doesn't make CONCORD print isk.

Now ratting, missions and incursions do, not sure what else. Do NPCs buy things?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#64 - 2012-03-10 06:54:31 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Hm, as someone pointed out moon mining doesn't make CONCORD print isk.

Now ratting, missions and incursions do, not sure what else. Do NPCs buy things?

Faucets:
  • NPC bounties
  • NPC buy orders
  • Mission rewards
  • Insurance payout
  • GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
  • Character creation

Sinks:
  • Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
  • NPC sell orders
  • NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
  • NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
  • Wardecs
  • Sovereignty fees
  • PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned customs offices)
  • Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
  • Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
  • CSPA Charges
  • Smuggling fines
  • GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
  • Character deletion
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#65 - 2012-03-10 06:56:05 UTC
Ah quite a list. Good work on the research.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#66 - 2012-03-10 07:56:55 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Xorv wrote:
High Sec Incursions doesn't add anything good to EVE, CCP should either remove them or radically change the mechanics.


Having fun in lets in hi sec I guess adds nothing good to Eve for you so we should just make all HI sec into lo sec problem settled huh? Eve would DIE in 6 month


Yes how foolish of me, EVE has lasted all these years by catering to PvE raiders that mistook this game for space WoW.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-03-10 07:59:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Nambr1 wrote:
Xyla Vulchanus wrote:
What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?

Inflation


True

... but they r not reason of main inflation. Moons r main reason (0.0 space) and incursions r way to make balance between 0.0 and hi sec. There is less risk in hi sec, but u cant force ppl to play any game style. Everyone is paying same price for eve so ccp must make every1 happy.

Before moon fever gtc 90 days was 240 mil, then gtc 60 days was 500-600 mil and when inc came price jumped to 1 bil.

So if ccp nerf inc and moons for 40%, get better tracking on anomalies bots (dotlan map is good way for that to see in every 0.0 region) everything will be in nice place.



Tell us how moons work Nambr1 of Super Cr3w corporation

also ahahahaha holy pubbies you think moons had anything to do with the GTC spike

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#68 - 2012-03-10 14:39:25 UTC
The problem with the Vanguard isk faucet is that that money stays in highsec. *Most* of the moon goo goes back into the alliance who is creating supercapitals online down in null.

I still say both need a nerf.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-03-10 15:08:48 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
The problem with the Vanguard isk faucet is that that money stays in highsec. *Most* of the moon goo goes back into the alliance who is creating supercapitals online down in null.

I still say both need a nerf.

another clueless
Cosmic Fart
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-03-10 17:52:21 UTC
They contribute $14.95 a month to a game they like to play and how they like to play it.

Not your decision how others prefer to play a game.

Want to pay my subscrioptions? I'll play your way if so.
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#71 - 2012-03-10 18:14:50 UTC
What it added? Easily the only group PvE content you can easily find pickup groups for.

In an MMO, that's a pretty big deal.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#72 - 2012-03-10 19:17:19 UTC
Incursioners add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#73 - 2012-03-10 19:59:50 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Incursioners add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

Nullbears add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

Carebears add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

CCP add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.



Look look look it applies to EVERYONE!!LolRoll

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#74 - 2012-03-10 22:10:28 UTC
Xorv wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Xorv wrote:
High Sec Incursions doesn't add anything good to EVE, CCP should either remove them or radically change the mechanics.


Having fun in lets in hi sec I guess adds nothing good to Eve for you so we should just make all HI sec into lo sec problem settled huh? Eve would DIE in 6 month


Yes how foolish of me, EVE has lasted all these years by catering to PvE raiders that mistook this game for space WoW.

While I'd be the first to agree that eve is mainly a pvp focused game, you can't deny that without highsec carebears, CCP wouldn't be getting the subs it needs to stay active.
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-03-10 22:27:46 UTC
Patient 2428190 wrote:
What it added? Easily the only group PvE content you can easily find pickup groups for.

In an MMO, that's a pretty big deal.


Incursions gave us a seemingly endless supply of butthurt and rage tears, and for that, it was worth the effort.

CCP = lord of the trolls.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2012-03-10 22:40:10 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
They add a massive isk fountain, which increases the price of everythign as there is more isk than anyone sane would ever need to play spaceships with. And I suppse they might be tempted to RMT with it, I mean Misanth says he made 21 billion isk in a month, that would be a nice little earner on the side wouldnt it?

Am I missing something? I thought there were no isk payouts from incursions (as in isk out of thin air). Has that changed?

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#77 - 2012-03-10 22:44:14 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
They add a massive isk fountain, which increases the price of everythign as there is more isk than anyone sane would ever need to play spaceships with. And I suppse they might be tempted to RMT with it, I mean Misanth says he made 21 billion isk in a month, that would be a nice little earner on the side wouldnt it?

Am I missing something? I thought there were no isk payouts from incursions (as in isk out of thin air). Has that changed?


Yes you missed something huge, in the form of a gigantic ISK fountain from incursions.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-03-11 01:43:22 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Incursioners add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

Nullbears add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

Carebears add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

CCP add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.



Look look look it applies to EVERYONE!!LolRoll


fyi there isn't concord in null

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Anastasia Shimaya
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-03-11 03:11:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Anastasia Shimaya
Highsec Incursion farming basically turns EVE into WOW and every other mmo that has a "hold my hand" approach, and they get amply rewarded for playing that way, so much so that staying to do other things isn't rewarding at all... and those that are doing it the hard way are thinking "WTF is the point of doing ________ if incursions make way more for basically blob PVE farming"

CCP is telling the people who worked a little to get isk, lived in dangerous space, or even needed Microsoft Excel to turn a profit to "Be good sports" and let the people who don't have half the dedication you had and make tons more money then you.... effortlessly!

SERIOUS QUESTION: Imagine in incursions were in EVE day one.... how many people would still be playing eve after making trillions effortlessly many years later?
How many corps would be formed if everyone had enough isk to not need to join anyone?
How many people would have the drive to go into other indy/manufacturing fields if they were already multi-billionaires?
How many people would honestly waste time missioning/salvaging?

What made EVE interesting is that you had to find a way to "make it", with incursions its doing away with what made it different from all other MMOs

EVE was like a marriage; it had many highs and lows but made you want to hang on for the long haul and make something spacial happen.
Incursions are a one night stand with a prostitute, hit it and quit it, since you got what you wanted with no effort and don't care to take it further then that
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-03-11 07:54:50 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Incursioners add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

Nullbears add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

Carebears add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

CCP add an ISK faucet, unstable market environment, a plethora of shiny ships, elitist ***holes, and... yeah, that's about it.

What do they add that's productive? Not a ****ing thing.

Look look look it applies to EVERYONE!!LolRoll


Nullbears add moon goo, deadspace mods, pirate ships, high end ore

Mission runners add faction mods, implant, faction ammo into market.

CCP, well, I give up on this