Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't particularly like ECM, in fact I hate it because no other EWAR is so utterly debilitating and frankly ****ing boring in terms of gameplay.

But I tolerate it because it took many years just to get Falcons nerfed and as much as I'd like to see ECM nerfed, I think it's wishful thinking.

HOWEVER, ECCM is pathetic. Even wasting TWO slots on it will rarely stop you from getting jammed. No other EWAR requires you to fit specialized equipment JUST to counter it, the fact that eve wearing TWO ECCM's is no guarantee that you will be jam-free is severely unbalanced in my opinion.

So I'm not asking that ECM be nerfed, but I AM asking that ECCM be given a SERIOUS BOOST! One ECCM should be more then enough to stop you from being jammed. It's bad enough we have to waste a whole slot JUST to counter this one EWAR, it's worse that it barely works at all.

That is all, thank you.

PS: For argument's sake, if I was going to suggest an ECM nerf I'd suggest that it only Jams SOME of your guns. Just like Web only takes away SOME of your speed, just like dampeners only take away SOME of your range, etc.

I find ECCM modules to be pretty effective. I'm not sure what you are being jammed by that two ECCMs isn't an effective counter to it.

Two ECCM's is definitely a lot more effective, I accept that point. I think though that ECCM should be a lot more effective, and if nothing should be 100% effective against a single ECM MOD.

Perhaps asking for it to be 100% effective is asking a little much. I also wholly accept that this is just one way to tackle the problem. I suppose the first step is a consensus that there is a problem. I think strengthening ECCM is one of the simpler and fairer ways of dealing with it.

You're right though, I could just as easily start a script where I start by saying why I think ECM is utterly borked. As I touched on in my Post Script.

One step at a time though, on the scale of things I don't think I'm asking for anything ridiculous.

On an unrelated note (since ECM only takes away your lock SOME of the time OP), does anyone else think ECCM is a strange name - Electronic Counter Counter Measures - Desn't really have that much of a ring to it, does it?

It's a good idea, ECCM is realy underpowered!

And Temba... Behave like the fact you can only make them less credible your idea ... Player owned stargate ... there is already the bridge jump for it, in null-sec. And besides, who wants a structure that can send it anywhere?

Once again, I have to strike a middleground here. Yes, ECCM modules could stand a buff, though only 3-5 points (less for passive ones, obviously). Also giving ECCMs (especially active ones) a slight, oh so slight bonus to lock speed would also be nice (reasoning: better sensors should be able to see objects with more clarity and a bit more quickly than 'standard' ones).

However, remote ECCMs could be nerfed before anyone realizes that they have no stacking penalties and grant 100% bonus to the target ship's signal strength. This means a ship with 15 strength becomes 30 with one, 60 with two, and so on to the stratusphere

ECCM are perfectly balanced and function as a fairly good counter to ECM .. on battleships.

Once you try to make it work on ships with less slots and lower base sensor values than BS, ECCM becomes utter garbage.

We need alternate modules/rigs that add a static value to sensors rather than a percentage to give the smaller ships a way to counter ECM (one that doesn't involve running away/docking up that is).

Now, everyone stop bickering and go to the polls!

Yeah but they are also useful modules on their own. When you fit sensor boosters you get extra effects other than anti dampening. And no titan pilot is worried about "OMG tracking disruptors!"

But ECCM does nothing outside of stopping jammers. So it's just this midslot that you have to use up just in case you get falconned.

On a similar note, I would like a single Photon Scattering Field to make me stop taking EM damage, and an Invulnerability Field to make me invulnerable.